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Jul 10 2022 05:59pm
Quote (excellence @ Jul 10 2022 01:55pm)
all that empathy and he managed to have more people die from covid during his presidency in the same amount of time, with the benefit of 3 vaccines that he and kamala consistently cast doubt on for months leading up to the election:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine/2020/09/16/2ffbea6a-f831-11ea-a275-1a2c2d36e1f1_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/us/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine.html
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/09/05/kamala-harris-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-409320

it was an anti/never-Trump vote in 2020, nothing else. Trump lost the election on his own doing, while biden was hidden sheltered in his basement for good reason. biden was losing bad in the primary until the field dropped out for no reason. this was a guy who ran twice prior and got zero delegates, having to quit once in embarrassment for massive plagiarism and lying about it.

that said, there 81+ million 100% loyal and accountable harris/biden voters and supporters who are to blame for the current situation in America. they ALL 100% support each and EVERY decision and failure of the current administration. zero deviation or independent thinking for this cohort.


Well, that's because Republicans are doing their duty and intentionally not getting treated for COVID in order to make Biden look bad. I'm of the position that Biden isn't nearly that bad to warrant that behavior. Now, if Bernie was President, I would take drastic measures. I would transfer all my wealth outside of the country, I'd quit my job, and ensure my family lived on the streets. I'm dedicated to my cause and would do my part to make Sanders look bad.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 10 2022 02:01pm)

Most of the suburban Romney->Trump->Biden voters were driven by dislike of Trump more so than by being thrilled of Biden. I think this type of voter would have gone with Buttigieg, Booker or Warren as well.

You are correct though that no other Dem candidate would have been able to keep together all groups of the "Biden coalition". Buttigieg and Warren would have been strong in upscale suburbs too, but Buttigieg would have bled support with black and latino men, Warren would have bled with the white working-class. Bernie would have suffered in the upscale suburbs.

But going back to my argument, I still think that Biden's strength in 2020 was based on people's memories and perception of Biden more so than by who he really is. 'Competence', 'normalcy', 'the adults in the room being in charge again' - all those pitches were a chimera and won't work anymore in 2024 because the way his presidency went down has debunked them.


What is politics if not perception? I mean, part of Trump's coalition in 2016 was due to his perception of being a "moderate." I 100% agree that Biden won't be able to make the same pitch in 2024. The election will be very different and the playbook will HAVE to be different. Failure to adapt will result in him getting kicked out of the WH.
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Quote (thundercock @ 10 Jul 2022 19:59)
Well, that's because Republicans are doing their duty and intentionally not getting treated for COVID in order to make Biden look bad. I'm of the position that Biden isn't nearly that bad to warrant that behavior. Now, if Bernie was President, I would take drastic measures. I would transfer all my wealth outside of the country, I'd quit my job, and ensure my family lived on the streets. I'm dedicated to my cause and would do my part to make Sanders look bad.



What is politics if not perception? I mean, part of Trump's coalition in 2016 was due to his perception of being a "moderate." I 100% agree that Biden won't be able to make the same pitch in 2024. The election will be very different and the playbook will HAVE to be different. Failure to adapt will result in him getting kicked out of the WH.

people like buttigeg, trudeaux, newsom, harris, and fauci are the ones who keep getting covid. they aren’t republicans!
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Quote (excellence @ Jul 10 2022 05:45pm)
people like buttigeg, trudeaux, newsom, harris, and fauci are the ones who keep getting covid. they aren’t republicans!


why is it the lefties that are always diseased?
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Jul 10 2022 10:11pm
Quote (thundercock @ 11 Jul 2022 01:59)
What is politics if not perception? I mean, part of Trump's coalition in 2016 was due to his perception of being a "moderate." I 100% agree that Biden won't be able to make the same pitch in 2024. The election will be very different and the playbook will HAVE to be different. Failure to adapt will result in him getting kicked out of the WH.

The perception of Trump being more "moderate" than previous GOP candidates, particularly on fiscal and foreign policy issues, contributed to his relative strength in more urban New England midwestern states, like NH or MN which were unusually close in 2016. He lost most of these voters in 2020. It also contributed to white working-class voters in more rural midwestern states breaking away from Democrats and going with Trump - and those were pivotal in 2016. But here's the thing: these Obama-Trump voters in the swing states mostly stuck with Trump in 2020, in spite of him governing like a rather conventional Republican when it comes to policy; in spite of him arguably accomplishing more for the religious right than the populist right although the latter are his core base.

What did him in in 2020 was that his erosion in educated and/or upscale suburbs continued, the kinds of places that liked Romney 8 years before, and that Biden was able to reverse Hillary's complete collapse with the white working-class somewhat - but that's mostly a function of Hillary having been a radioactive candidate to these voters. Dito for Trump improving with latinos in places like Miami-Dade or LA county - these improvements only looked so seismic because his 2016 baseline in these places was so abysmal to begin with.



The interesting thing is that Trump's moderation being disproven during his presidency did not cost him with the decisive consituencies. I expect the same pattern with Biden in 2024: he will not completely lose the upscale suburbs that he conquered for his party in 2020, but the erosion that he experienced among all non-white groups, particularly with latinos, will persist.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 10 2022 10:13pm
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I didn't think it was possible to do worse than Obama during a recession recovery.. but here we are!!
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Jul 10 2022 10:58pm
Quote (Mondain @ Jul 11 2022 07:17am)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqO_LiKjJjk

edit - He sounds more coherent in this 2010 video

Vice President Joe Biden Eulogizes Former Member of the KKK, Robert Byrd on July 2, 2010.


Former member, as in no longer a member, He first entered the political arena by organizing and leading a local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s, an action he later described as "the greatest mistake I ever made."
He had quit the clan before he ran in 1947, then had a 51 year career..
Not that any of you ACTUALLY care about racism.
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Former member, as in no longer a member, He first entered the political arena by organizing and leading a local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s, an action he later described as "the greatest mistake I ever made."
He had quit the clan before he ran in 1947, then had a 51 year career..
Not that any of you ACTUALLY care about racism.


In the 70s, Biden publicly spoke out against specific efforts at desegregation by saying that he doesn't want his children to grow up in a racial jungle.
But then again, that was during the 70s when there was still plenty of residual racism in the Democratic party and Biden was trying - just like he's still trying today - to position himself in the middle of his party.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 11 2022 05:30pm)
In the 70s, Biden publicly spoke out against specific efforts at desegregation by saying that he doesn't want his children to grow up in a racial jungle.
But then again, that was during the 70s when there was still plenty of residual racism in the Democratic party and Biden was trying - just like he's still trying today - to position himself in the middle of his party.


True, and kamala is a monster too, but good people never go far in politics.
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Jul 11 2022 06:35am
hunter biden is a gift that keeps on giving ^_^
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Quote (Plaguefear @ 11 Jul 2022 00:58)
Former member, as in no longer a member, He first entered the political arena by organizing and leading a local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s, an action he later described as "the greatest mistake I ever made."
He had quit the clan before he ran in 1947, then had a 51 year career..
Not that any of you ACTUALLY care about racism.

Byrd filibustered the legislation that would become the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Sat there yammering for 14 hours straight trying to kill the bill. Almost 20 years after “leaving the kkk”

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/filibusters-cloture/civil-rights-filibuster-ended.htm

Byrd and biden were/are lifelong segregationists
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