So he was in DC asking for a recount.? That’s a strange take
Those guys attacking cops with flags were asking for voter ID’s?
Hanging mike pence was a war cry for mail in ballots?

Some day whatever rock you're stuck under will get access to the internet.

You're the one using dramatic words that are detached from reality. How can I take you seriously when you're pointing to a bunch of flag-waving dumbasses going into a building then peacefully dispersing a few hours later an insurrection? Like lmao.

Peacefully??
Lol that makes BLM group hugs

Just for the record: Hitler and his nazi party never overthrew the government - they won 33.1% of the vote in the last free election (Nov 1932), but were eventually put into power anyway because the country had become completely ungovernable and all other options had been tried out unsuccessfully. Once in power, they quickly eliminated all remnants of democracy and civil society - which they could only do because these institutions had been hollowed out after years of perpetual crisis and crumbled easily.

Also note that Hitler had spelled out his fascist and genocidal intentions loud and clear, so that's another reason he can't be compared one-to-one with Trump...



To be fair, Democrats weren't showing exemplary respect for democracy either after 2016. They and their allies in the media and federal bureaucracy launched the years-long Russia investigation, which was built on shaky ground (FISA warrants which were obtained based on blatant lies) to undermine Trump's presidency. If we're being honest, neither Democrats nor liberal journalists ever truly considered (or treated) Trump as a fully legitimate president.

Now, this stuff is of course on a different, much lower level of disregard for the democratic process than what Trump did after 2020, but still... this narrative that Republicans have turned wholly anti-democratic while the Democrats are the true believers in democracy, win or lose, is utter bullshit. Norm erosions and partisan animosity have been building up for 25 years and finally reached their sad, but also kinda logical boiling point on Jan 6th.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 10 2021 07:10pm

Literally Hitler
Russian plant
fascism
collusion
anti-democratic
overthrowing an election

now insurrection

It's an endless stream of redefining what words actually mean and stand for to portray a political opponent as worse.

This is what insurrections look like in the 21st century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:21st-century_rebellions

If those examples are not enough here's the 20th-century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:20th-century_rebellions

Try learning what qualifies as an insurrection before just flippantly using it because you dislike someone politically.

That’s not actually true though my dude. One individual who was never caught placed some pipe bombs in the Capital neighborhood. Still pretty nuts, but we have no idea who that person is, or who they were trying to harm.

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That whole debacle was an abject failure that never should have happened, however it was orchestrated by a bunch of fringe morons. I said on day one that I didn’t buy into any of the stolen election nonsense, & I can admit I was pretty surprised at the amount of people on the right who did. However conflating the average republican to an insurrectionist is beyond stupid

That's what happens when your partisan identity turns into a super-identity which encompasses and defines everything that you do and who you are. This partisan/super identity was tied to the belief that people who see the world the way you do are a silent majority under siege by a traiterous deep state and media landscape... and then the legions of supporters for your guy do indeed turn out on election day, and he beats his polls substantially - and still loses. So now you have to acknowledge that the stances and worldview which have come to define you are a minority position... or you accuse the other side of cheating.

It really doesn't surprise ne that so many people bought, and still are buying, into the narrative of the stolen election. It's much less painful and unsettling than admitting defeat.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 10 2021 07:23pm

foh with your shitty bothsidesism. has partisan divide been a thing before trump? of course. has it gradually become worse leading up to 2016? yes, that much is true, especially after a black man became president. however, acting like trump hasn't purposefully and brazenly escalated and instrumentalised it, pretending like it would always and inevitably have ended in a full blown insurrection, directly encouraged by a sitting president and a significant part of his party, is just another transparent attempt to downplay what he actually did. none of that is the "logical boiling point" of partisanship, you're trying to dismiss agency there in order to deny responsibility.

concerning the russia investigation: just read the fucking mueller report finally. there was significant coordination between the trump campaign and russia, with the clear target to get trump into office. he unambiguously endorsed and encouraged that, and then repeatedly lied about it to cover it up. you know as well as anyone else here what would have happened in right wing media if a democrat had encouraged and welcomed a hostile nation to interfere with american presidential elections on their behalf: they would (justifiably) have been branded as anti-american, unpatriotic, treasonous, and illegitimate (especially if they had also lost the popular vote by literal millions on top of that) - so please spare me your pearl clutching about trump being treated unfairly, especially after 8 years of right wing media demonising obama, lol. you people really don't know shame or self-reflection, do you?

also, to even try and compare what legacy / establishment media did to trump with what republican elected officials did not only in regard to the 2020 election, but in general to voters (especially minorities) across the country, and conclude this is the right place for a 'well both sides aren't perfect, so calling the republican party undemocratic is mean' argument, is laughable and desperate at best. stop being such a hack.

that scumbag cant let go. gluggled ‘russiagate’ hemlock for 4 years, denied the mueller report, and then wants to act innocent. its like someone winning a boxing rematch by DQ and bragging about it to no one who wants to listen

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/19/2004-kerry-election-fraud-2020-448604

democrats tried to overturn both of GWB elections lol. it’s literally standard practice

This post was edited by excellence on May 10 2021 07:50pm