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Quote (thundercock @ May 9 2021 04:56pm)
Uneducated whites are a dying demographic in this country and I don't think they bring much value to society. They've been given so many opportunities and they refuse to help themselves. Here are a couple strategies that could help the GOP:
1. Win back the suburbs. This could be done quite easily with minimal changes to actual policy. Focus on education and childcare and you're 80% there.
2. Become the pro-immigrant party. Immigrants tend to be socially conservative but are voting with the Democrats more and more. For every piece of white trash that dies of a heroin overdose, we could import someone from Iran, Taiwan, etc. Their work ethic is unmatched and we could learn a thing or two from them.
3. Chip away at the Hispanic demographic. They aren't a monolith but if you can get half of them, that's enough to win in a landslide. Trump's economic message definitely appealed to a large portion of them and you can continue down that path without appealing to white grievance.

As it stands, the GOP is doubling down on white grievance and they are praying that they can keep Trump's levels of the Hispanic vote. Perhaps you can win in 2024 with the current model but it's becoming more difficult. I really don't want to have to rely on institutional advantages that are becoming increasingly undemocratic.

Outside of the COVID relief bill, how is it 6 trillion in NET spending? I find it hard to believe that the Democrats won't raise taxes. That's their MO. I'm not sure why you think Biden's policies are against the Civil Rights Act. I think it was Earl Warren who said that the government needs to try just as hard to reverse the effects of institutional racism as they did when they implemented them. Obviously that's a liberal interpretation from a very liberal judge, but I think it matches with the spirit of the Civil Rights Act. All of these policies are well within the Overton window of the early 2000s.


So are blacks, what a nonsensical thing to say.

1. Winning back the suburbs is important, but it's insufficient. It will give the Republican party Georgia and Virginia, but securing those two states is not worth the trade if Iowa, Ohio, and Florida come back into play.

2. Hispanics and Asians are natural Republican voters. The Democratic party is pushing them away with racist policy proposals that specifically disadvantage these groups. Trump made inroads with both demographics in 2020, and he is a historically poor candidate.

3. This is already happening. The Republican message resonates with Hispanics because they want to be patriotic Americans, and they're glad they've left disastrous Latin American socialism behind. The Democratic party is becoming a coastal party of incredibly poor and incredibly rich voters. This strategy is abysmal, as James Carville has repeatedly pointed out, and they're going to self-destruct if Republicans allow them to.

The key takeaway here is that white liberals are out of reach and not at all important. They're concentrated in an electorally inefficient way and they've become far more radical over the past twenty years. The Republican party (see: Romney's failed campaign) has spent too much time and energy trying to woo these voters into the fold. Winning over the working and middle-classes with a culturally conservative, economically moderate, pro-growth campaign is the correct path forward. The Democratic party is so far out of touch with the American public on cultural issues that Republicans are obligated to point it out, but they need to do so in a constructive way. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are case examples on how not to approach the issue. It's important to come across as moderate and intelligent, which shouldn't be hard to do when the Democratic party has been taken over by white liberals who insist on seeing everything through the lens of race.
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So are blacks, what a nonsensical thing to say.

1. Winning back the suburbs is important, but it's insufficient. It will give the Republican party Georgia and Virginia, but securing those two states is not worth the trade if Iowa, Ohio, and Florida come back into play.

2. Hispanics and Asians are natural Republican voters. The Democratic party is pushing them away with racist policy proposals that specifically disadvantage these groups. Trump made inroads with both demographics in 2020, and he is a historically poor candidate.

3. This is already happening. The Republican message resonates with Hispanics because they want to be patriotic Americans, and they're glad they've left disastrous Latin American socialism behind. The Democratic party is becoming a coastal party of incredibly poor and incredibly rich voters. This strategy is abysmal, as James Carville has repeatedly pointed out, and they're going to self-destruct if Republicans allow them to.

The key takeaway here is that white liberals are out of reach and not at all important. They're concentrated in an electorally inefficient way and they've become far more radical over the past twenty years. The Republican party (see: Romney's failed campaign) has spent too much time and energy trying to woo these voters into the fold. Winning over the working and middle-classes with a culturally conservative, economically moderate, pro-growth campaign is the correct path forward. The Democratic party is so far out of touch with the American public on cultural issues that Republicans are obligated to point it out, but they need to do so in a constructive way. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are case examples on how not to approach the issue. It's important to come across as moderate and intelligent, which shouldn't be hard to do when the Democratic party has been taken over by white liberals who insist on seeing everything through the lens of race.


trump won over blue collar suburban people of all colors in 2016 with the promise to bring back jobs, basically used a hail mary against china to try and make headway with tariffs, china didnt blink and realize whether it was 4 or 8 years they could pay a tax and not make any concessions, jobs failed to return and where they did were heavily automated, and that favor dwindled in 2020. even during a pandemic where general democratic policies kept people from the jobs they had, let alone the jobs they didnt have.

the GOP path to victory is simple, bring back jobs, the path in planning and legislation is anything but simple however.

how do you even begin on a 4-8 year schedule? china just waits. thus the reason the trade war was stupid from the get go. we'll get zero IP theft changes without worldwide intervention, and then the american corporations themselves are culpable. but people dont like to talk about that, they just like to blame china. china is evil, to be sure, but american corporations love china.
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May 10 2021 11:32am
Quote (bogie160 @ 10 May 2021 19:07)
So are blacks, what a nonsensical thing to say.

1. Winning back the suburbs is important, but it's insufficient. It will give the Republican party Georgia and Virginia, but securing those two states is not worth the trade if Iowa, Ohio, and Florida come back into play.

2. Hispanics and Asians are natural Republican voters. The Democratic party is pushing them away with racist policy proposals that specifically disadvantage these groups. Trump made inroads with both demographics in 2020, and he is a historically poor candidate.

3. This is already happening. The Republican message resonates with Hispanics because they want to be patriotic Americans, and they're glad they've left disastrous Latin American socialism behind. The Democratic party is becoming a coastal party of incredibly poor and incredibly rich voters. This strategy is abysmal, as James Carville has repeatedly pointed out, and they're going to self-destruct if Republicans allow them to.

The key takeaway here is that white liberals are out of reach and not at all important. They're concentrated in an electorally inefficient way and they've become far more radical over the past twenty years. The Republican party (see: Romney's failed campaign) has spent too much time and energy trying to woo these voters into the fold. Winning over the working and middle-classes with a culturally conservative, economically moderate, pro-growth campaign is the correct path forward. The Democratic party is so far out of touch with the American public on cultural issues that Republicans are obligated to point it out, but they need to do so in a constructive way. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are case examples on how not to approach the issue. It's important to come across as moderate and intelligent, which shouldn't be hard to do when the Democratic party has been taken over by white liberals who insist on seeing everything through the lens of race.

If hispanics go the way of previous ethnic whites, like Italians and Slavs, they will increasingly gravitate toward the GOP position on race as well. It should be noted that hispanics have very high rates of intermarriage, much higher than blacks. There is a growing share of the hispanic population which is far removed from the immigration experience and for whom the distinction between hispanic and non-hispanic white becomes increasingly irrelevant. The Democrats' dreams of an emerging demographic majority will just go poof if the GOP plays its cards right over the next ~10 years.

It should also be kept in mind that the worst-performing GOP candidate with hispanics this century was Romney, not Trump. Even when Trump was talking about Mexican rapists and made anti-immigration stances a central pillar of his campaign in 2016 was he doing better with latino voters than venture capitalist Mitt Romney running on a fiscon platform.



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trump won over blue collar suburban people of all colors in 2016 with the promise to bring back jobs, basically used a hail mary against china to try and make headway with tariffs, china didnt blink and realize whether it was 4 or 8 years they could pay a tax and not make any concessions, jobs failed to return and where they did were heavily automated, and that favor dwindled in 2020. even during a pandemic where general democratic policies kept people from the jobs they had, let alone the jobs they didnt have.

the GOP path to victory is simple, bring back jobs, the path in planning and legislation is anything but simple however.

how do you even begin on a 4-8 year schedule? china just waits. thus the reason the trade war was stupid from the get go. we'll get zero IP theft changes without worldwide intervention, and then the american corporations themselves are culpable. but people dont like to talk about that, they just like to blame china. china is evil, to be sure, but american corporations love china.


That's really the crux of the issue: it's long overdue that corporate greed is reined in. They are putting their short-term profits over the strategic long-term interests of the country, and even over their own long-term future. Essentially, China has found a way to make Western capitalism self-destruct in slow motion.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 10 2021 11:35am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 10 2021 12:32pm)
If hispanics go the way of previous ethnic whites, like Italians and Slavs, they will increasingly gravitate toward the GOP position on race as well. It should be noted that hispanics have very high rates of intermarriage, much higher than blacks. There is a growing share of the hispanic population which is far removed from the immigration experience and for whom the distinction between hispanic and non-hispanic white becomes increasingly irrelevant. The Democrats' dreams of an emerging demographic majority will just go poof if the GOP plays its cards right over the next ~10 years.

It should also be kept in mind that the worst-performing GOP candidate with hispanics this century was Romney, not Trump. Even when Trump was talking about Mexican rapists and made anti-immigration stances a central pillar of his campaign in 2016 was he doing better with latino voters than venture capitalist Mitt Romney running on a fiscon platform.



That's really the crux of the issue: it's long overdue that corporate greed is reigned in. They are putting their short-term profits over the strategic long-term interests of the country, and even over their own long-term future. Essentially, China has found a way to make Western capitalism self-destruct in slow motion.


just make a bifurcated tax bracket for companies that do X% of manufacturing overseas to tax it more effectively, rather than a tariff tax on importers. do business here = small bill, do business there = larger bill even if u still profit over american manufacturing.

and broken record alert, automation tax, close R&D loopholes, etc etc etc.
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May 10 2021 01:39pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 10 May 2021 13:07)
So are blacks, what a nonsensical thing to say.

1. Winning back the suburbs is important, but it's insufficient. It will give the Republican party Georgia and Virginia, but securing those two states is not worth the trade if Iowa, Ohio, and Florida come back into play.

2. Hispanics and Asians are natural Republican voters. The Democratic party is pushing them away with racist policy proposals that specifically disadvantage these groups. Trump made inroads with both demographics in 2020, and he is a historically poor candidate.

3. This is already happening. The Republican message resonates with Hispanics because they want to be patriotic Americans, and they're glad they've left disastrous Latin American socialism behind. The Democratic party is becoming a coastal party of incredibly poor and incredibly rich voters. This strategy is abysmal, as James Carville has repeatedly pointed out, and they're going to self-destruct if Republicans allow them to.

The key takeaway here is that white liberals are out of reach and not at all important. They're concentrated in an electorally inefficient way and they've become far more radical over the past twenty years. The Republican party (see: Romney's failed campaign) has spent too much time and energy trying to woo these voters into the fold. Winning over the working and middle-classes with a culturally conservative, economically moderate, pro-growth campaign is the correct path forward. The Democratic party is so far out of touch with the American public on cultural issues that Republicans are obligated to point it out, but they need to do so in a constructive way. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are case examples on how not to approach the issue. It's important to come across as moderate and intelligent, which shouldn't be hard to do when the Democratic party has been taken over by white liberals who insist on seeing everything through the lens of race.


Quote (thesnipa @ 10 May 2021 13:14)
trump won over blue collar suburban people of all colors in 2016 with the promise to bring back jobs, basically used a hail mary against china to try and make headway with tariffs, china didnt blink and realize whether it was 4 or 8 years they could pay a tax and not make any concessions, jobs failed to return and where they did were heavily automated, and that favor dwindled in 2020. even during a pandemic where general democratic policies kept people from the jobs they had, let alone the jobs they didnt have.

the GOP path to victory is simple, bring back jobs, the path in planning and legislation is anything but simple however.

how do you even begin on a 4-8 year schedule? china just waits. thus the reason the trade war was stupid from the get go. we'll get zero IP theft changes without worldwide intervention, and then the american corporations themselves are culpable. but people dont like to talk about that, they just like to blame china. china is evil, to be sure, but american corporations love china.


both your posts touch on very astute points. as a “member” of one of these groups in the end opportunity supersedes all. which is why Trump carried alot of these votes, despite being about as flawed of a candidate as one can be. most of the ‘woke’ crowd who was against him and for the racist (D) candidates are the ones who cant do math, cant run a business, cant do science or cant play sports.

which is fine.

Trump was a unique candidate and President because he represented the best and worst of the American spirit of opportunity. He was brash when necessary then didnt turn it off when it was needed. which again is fine, but his winning hand in 2016 he tried to play again in 2020 which wasnt the right call

i dont think another mainstream Republican will capture his ability to win the minority vote. maybe if he truly plays kingmaker but they need a S-tier ticket. with Trump basically playing hype man at rallies and clapping the background. his social media presence is gone due to selective regulation of unelected tech oligarchs who all vote and donate the same way.

the squeamish suburban privileged cohort can go fuck itself. they voted for war and short-term profit and their feelings and they always do. nimby racist scum.

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Trump was a unique candidate and President because he represented the best and worst of the American spirit of opportunity. He was brash when necessary then didnt turn it off when it was needed. which again is fine, but his winning hand in 2016 he tried to play again in 2020 which wasnt the right call

His plan for 2020 was to run on the booming economy. Once covid fucked that up, he had no backup plan and failed to pivot to something else.
I'm not sure if he would have won the popular vote against Biden without covid, because the electorate is just so polarized and unelastic these days - but he would definitely have won the EC comfortably.

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the squeamish suburban privileged cohort can go fuck itself. they voted for war and short-term profit and their feelings and they always do. nimby racist scum.

this so much :thumbsup:

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So are blacks, what a nonsensical thing to say.

1. Winning back the suburbs is important, but it's insufficient. It will give the Republican party Georgia and Virginia, but securing those two states is not worth the trade if Iowa, Ohio, and Florida come back into play.

2. Hispanics and Asians are natural Republican voters. The Democratic party is pushing them away with racist policy proposals that specifically disadvantage these groups. Trump made inroads with both demographics in 2020, and he is a historically poor candidate.

3. This is already happening. The Republican message resonates with Hispanics because they want to be patriotic Americans, and they're glad they've left disastrous Latin American socialism behind. The Democratic party is becoming a coastal party of incredibly poor and incredibly rich voters. This strategy is abysmal, as James Carville has repeatedly pointed out, and they're going to self-destruct if Republicans allow them to.

The key takeaway here is that white liberals are out of reach and not at all important. They're concentrated in an electorally inefficient way and they've become far more radical over the past twenty years. The Republican party (see: Romney's failed campaign) has spent too much time and energy trying to woo these voters into the fold. Winning over the working and middle-classes with a culturally conservative, economically moderate, pro-growth campaign is the correct path forward. The Democratic party is so far out of touch with the American public on cultural issues that Republicans are obligated to point it out, but they need to do so in a constructive way. Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz are case examples on how not to approach the issue. It's important to come across as moderate and intelligent, which shouldn't be hard to do when the Democratic party has been taken over by white liberals who insist on seeing everything through the lens of race.


Its always hilarious when tcock reveals his hand.
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>Democrats: Hispanics will give us victories forever!
>Desantis 2024
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> Vox: 9 reasons why white Hispanics are the new face of racism

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Quote (thesnipa @ May 10 2021 01:14pm)
trump won over blue collar suburban people of all colors in 2016 with the promise to bring back jobs, basically used a hail mary against china to try and make headway with tariffs, china didnt blink and realize whether it was 4 or 8 years they could pay a tax and not make any concessions, jobs failed to return and where they did were heavily automated, and that favor dwindled in 2020. even during a pandemic where general democratic policies kept people from the jobs they had, let alone the jobs they didnt have.

the GOP path to victory is simple, bring back jobs, the path in planning and legislation is anything but simple however.

how do you even begin on a 4-8 year schedule? china just waits. thus the reason the trade war was stupid from the get go. we'll get zero IP theft changes without worldwide intervention, and then the american corporations themselves are culpable. but people dont like to talk about that, they just like to blame china. china is evil, to be sure, but american corporations love china.


Starve China. They cant grow enough food for modern-type cities.

Stop selling them beef and sanction countries that do or bribe them off.

Cities like Shanghai can barely afford food as it is given their population of 27 million.

Within four years the population will overthrow the government.

The jobs side solved itself under Trump. Trump was the first president to raise middle class wages in 36 years.

This post was edited by EndlessSky on May 10 2021 03:59pm
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Quote (thesnipa @ May 10 2021 01:14pm)
trump won over blue collar suburban people of all colors in 2016 with the promise to bring back jobs, basically used a hail mary against china to try and make headway with tariffs, china didnt blink and realize whether it was 4 or 8 years they could pay a tax and not make any concessions, jobs failed to return and where they did were heavily automated, and that favor dwindled in 2020. even during a pandemic where general democratic policies kept people from the jobs they had, let alone the jobs they didnt have.

the GOP path to victory is simple, bring back jobs, the path in planning and legislation is anything but simple however.

how do you even begin on a 4-8 year schedule? china just waits. thus the reason the trade war was stupid from the get go. we'll get zero IP theft changes without worldwide intervention, and then the american corporations themselves are culpable. but people dont like to talk about that, they just like to blame china. china is evil, to be sure, but american corporations love china.


American policy on the issue needs to be more bipartisan. It's obviously untenable to have one pro-China and one anti-China party, because China will just wait it out. I hold out some hope that that won't be the case.

Our leverage is greatest when it comes to American corporations. I'm not sure what exact policy I'd recommend, but American companies need to feel the brunt of our displeasure that they've tacitly allied themselves with the CCP regime. If the costs are untenable, their behavior has to change. Whether American politicians have the will to embark on that? Certainly not right now.
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