Quote (MrSK @ May 3 2023 12:29pm)
Yes takes more faith to not have faith
How can our eyes be real if mirrors aren’t real
you even know what faith means?
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Please explain.
atheist/antitheist have their own "creation myth" the the most complex and interdependent systems known to man (life) more complex that anything man has ever made is some how is the product of some kind of accidental naturalistic process. they will believe this even at the cost of any intellectual curiosity even to the point of mocking others as the try to convince themselves that every thing is fine. .............its a mighty faith
Quote (bigtabasco @ May 3 2023 04:45pm)
Qualifiers: 1) Sorry to come in 90 pages late. I am new here. 2) If the comments below have been made, apologies. I can't go through it all. 3) I can show you how with more careful reading, letting the Bible interpret itself, and often collaborating with outside sources (such as secular scholars/historians) can prove MANY things that you didn't think possible to prove.
With more careful reading, you can discern two things: The fish and fowls were created the fifth day. The humans and land creatures on the sixth. So, no, it does not say they were (all) created at the same time. Also, the things listed in chapter 2 are simply that—a list. Not a sequence. The word "then" is nowhere to be found. It does say "And" at the start of the verses, but that word is not there in the Hebrew. It simply says "Lord God created" this or that...They are statements. A change of scenery has started in chapter 2. When the books were written, there were no such thing as chapter breaks. This often confuses people being split like they are now. Genesis 1 should have gone to Genesis 2:3, then pivoted. Moses is beginning a story about the garden and basing the start on certain facts.
First, you are mixing two different light creations. In chapter 1, he made light. Literally—the concept of light. It didn't exist. (Apparently, we won't need it in the spirit world, so it's easy to assume God never had it before His plan began). We know this because when God comes here with what He calls "New Jerusalem", He says it will not need light (Revelation 21:23). You can separate the other creation in chapter two, partly because He says He made "lightS"—plural—but also they were made IN the "firmament"—which it goes on to describe as "heaven". (We might call it "the heavens".)
Second, it does NOT say that He created light AND divided it on the first day. He created the concept sometime before us, then later (on the 4th day) used the concept to create the things that bring us lights. Re-read it with that understanding.
Third, the word "divided" should be translated something more like "distinguished". It comes from two Hebrew words that mean "make a distinction". In other words, it's saying He planned to have a 12/12 hour day when it was time.
Except—that's not what it says. Genesis chapter 2:5, God says that "every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew". In other words, the earth was seeded and ready, but had not yet grown anything. Then he sent rain when it was time...(vs 6). Chapter 1, vs 1-2 describe the Earth before mankind. What our scientists tell us was around 14 billion years ago. 3-4 describe the concept of light creation. Verse 5 is when the story starts of when God RENEWED the Earth, (Psalm 104:30).
One is talking about procreation ("male and female")—the other about numbers so that there was food. (Which is yet another proof we shouldn't be eating swine, squirrels, etc.)
If you were on the tallest peak of a mountain range, and all you could see was water around you until one day the OTHER mountain tops below started revealing themselves—is it not possible you would have worded it this way?
Mistranslation. In verse 14, "dried" should be translated "withered". In other words, it turns out you can't eat of perishable trees and plants that have been underwater for extended periods. Hmmf.
This one is too much for explanation without the understanding of synergizing principles. Just know that God sends trials on us—not because He wants to watch us squeal—He wants us to come out the other side of the trial stronger and more like Him. We are in this world to build character, to learn to not hurt each other (and why)—in short, He wants to cultivate us into someone who does the right thing even when no one is looking. He made us with an opportunity to grow, just like sending us to the gym. You can't pump your spiritual muscles without resistance. Just like pumping iron. The reward for pushing harder? Incredible when you understand it.
Re-read Jeremiah. It says "in the day" that I brought them out of Egypt. Clearly He is referring to a single 24 hour period in this instance. Imagine Him saying, "Okay...I am the God you forgot. Gather all your stuff and be ready—oh, wait. Build an altar real quick, and"...No, He didn't give them the sacrifice commands THAT DAY. The statement is true. Once they were established and had made camp near Sinai, they were given two sets of laws. The law of Moses (sacrifices, washings, etc, done away with the New Covenant), and the Law of God (the 10+ commandments, NOT done away.)
Not trying to pick on the OP, but almost everyone comes into the Bible with preconceived notions about what it is SUPPOSED to say—or with their own understanding. Come with true objectivity and reason (Isaiah 1:18)—not looking for failure but open minded. Science lovers claim to be the most open minded. The lack of it on this subject is laughably hypocritical. The word "science" originally just meant knowledge. If you don't have enough knowledge—science—about something, you will have wrong understanding. So it is with the Bible. God is not a monster. He is GREATLY misunderstood. If you were a being whom God calls "the god of this world"(2 Corinthians 4:4), and you wanted to destroy what God is doing—would you have it any other way? There is a powerful being who has influenced ALL of us into terrible understanding and confusion. He is very real. And not what you think.
Rev 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world"... Question: Do you think that means everyone but you? Come to grips with it. It sucks but it's true. Even most "Christian" churches are a lie.
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