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Quote (ThatAlex @ Feb 2 2020 11:25pm)
I mean, a core of Dershowitz's argument was that the President was allowed to abuse their power.

That's fine, and it may not reach a high crime or misdemeanor, but we are seeing an even further expansion of executive power in real time.

And whether the Senate wanted to ultimate acquit or not, it would have at least been good optics for a separate branch of government to at least look like they wanted to check and balance the executive branch rather than go through the motions.


I love Dershiwitz's dance to Orwellian government.
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I love Dershiwitz's dance to Orwellian government.


Ironically the Democrats are fast becoming an Orwellian party.

Controls on speech in the name of free speech, trying to overturn the results of a democratic election in the name of democracy, a "resistance" composed of members of the uber elite, and "anti-fascists" doing their best to give us a modern rendition of brown shirts.
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Ironically the Democrats are fast becoming an Orwellian party.

Controls on speech in the name of free speech, trying to overturn the results of a democratic election in the name of democracy, a "resistance" composed of members of the uber elite, and "anti-fascists" doing their best to give us a modern rendition of brown shirts.

Funny because true
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Ironically the Democrats are fast becoming an Orwellian party.

Controls on speech in the name of free speech, trying to overturn the results of a democratic election in the name of democracy, a "resistance" composed of members of the uber elite, and "anti-fascists" doing their best to give us a modern rendition of brown shirts.


This.
On top, they have a "fuck whites"- and "fuck cis men"-attitude, all in the name of antiracism and gender equality. That shit has a good Orwellian quality to it too, in a "war is peace, freedom is slavery"-sense.

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Ironically the Democrats are fast becoming an Orwellian party.

Controls on speech in the name of free speech, trying to overturn the results of a democratic election in the name of democracy, a "resistance" composed of members of the uber elite, and "anti-fascists" doing their best to give us a modern rendition of brown shirts.


Um you are describing the GOP and their anti-news anti transparency agenda. The GOP is the only political party to win a presidential election through the SCOTUS not the Dems like you claim. You even doubled down and redeemed Nixon on the "if a president does it the it isn't illegal". Antifa is not associated with the Democratic establishment as much as the KKK or American Nazi Party is is not a GOP organization.

You have zero insight whatsoever. You were criticizing Biden a couple days ago and were describing Trump without even knowing it. At least you are a self-professed fascist and not closeted like the rest, unless you want back into the closet Mr. Peronism.
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Ironically the Democrats are fast becoming an Orwellian party.

Controls on speech in the name of free speech, trying to overturn the results of a democratic election in the name of democracy, a "resistance" composed of members of the uber elite, and "anti-fascists" doing their best to give us a modern rendition of brown shirts.


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Um you are describing the GOP and their anti-news anti transparency agenda. The GOP is the only political party to win a presidential election through the SCOTUS not the Dems like you claim. You even doubled down and redeemed Nixon on the "if a president does it the it isn't illegal". Antifa is not associated with the Democratic establishment as much as the KKK or American Nazi Party is is not a GOP organization.

You have zero insight whatsoever. You were criticizing Biden a couple days ago and were describing Trump without even knowing it. At least you are a self-professed fascist and not closeted like the rest, unless you want back into the closet Mr. Peronism.


case in point

well said by bogie on the #resist movement, which is ironically comprised of a two groups who actually hate one other, but are united in their aversion to math and the election of 2016: the elite politicians/corporations/hollywood weinstein worshippers as one group, and the other group is a mix of a bunch of junior boomer pale pasty privileged lefty homeowners driving around with #resist stickers on their lexus and bmws (skinned is in this group), and their 25-30 year old kids who still live in the basement.
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Um you are describing the GOP and their anti-news anti transparency agenda. The GOP is the only political party to win a presidential election through the SCOTUS not the Dems like you claim. You even doubled down and redeemed Nixon on the "if a president does it the it isn't illegal".


Still hung up on Bush v Gore? I got over it.

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Antifa is not associated with the Democratic establishment as much as the KKK or American Nazi Party is is not a GOP organization.


Antifa is closely associated and often openly endorsed and supported by the Democratic establishment, whereas the KKK and American Nazi Party are repeatedly disavowed and repudiated by the GOP.
There's no establishment Republicans who would willingly associate themselves with Nazis and so instead the Democrats hurl cryptonazi smears at everyone they don't like and pretend its the same thing
Whereas elected democrats have no problem employing campaign staff who are antifa members, or have antifa members in their own family like Tim Kaine's son, or just openly endorse antifa like this;



If a republican posed holding The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Turner Diaries, you better believe there would be accountability. He'd be out of the party overnight, with every GOP congressman lining up to take shots at him. Steve King lost his committee seats for merely questioning why white supremacy is considered offensive- Keith Ellison got elected AG after both endorsing Antifa and being exposed in a MeToo scandal as beating his ex-girlfriend.

So lets not draw false equivalencies there. There's a huge difference between willing and intimate associations of democrats with radical groups, and the unwilling political alignment and explicit repudiation of radical groups by republicans.

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Still hung up on Bush v Gore? I got over it.

Antifa is closely associated and often openly endorsed and supported by the Democratic establishment, whereas the KKK and American Nazi Party are repeatedly disavowed and repudiated by the GOP.
There's no establishment Republicans who would willingly associate themselves with Nazis and so instead the Democrats hurl cryptonazi smears at everyone they don't like and pretend its the same thing
Whereas elected democrats have no problem employing campaign staff who are antifa members, or have antifa members in their own family like Tim Kaine's son, or just openly endorse antifa like this;

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If a republican posed holding The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Turner Diaries, you better believe there would be accountability. Keith Ellison got elected AG after both endorsing Antifa and being exposed in a MeToo scandal as beating his ex-girlfriend.

So lets not draw false equivalencies there. There's a huge difference between willing and intimate associations of democrats with radical groups, and the unwilling political alignment and explicit repudiation of radical groups by republicans.


Let's give Antifa another few thousand years and MAYBE they will approach a small percentage of the death and damage caused by the KKK.

The comparisons you've made here are ridiculous to say the least.
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Let's give Antifa another few thousand years and MAYBE they will approach a small percentage of the death and damage caused by the KKK.

The comparisons you've made here are ridiculous to say the least.


How about we live in 2020 and deal with problems that currently exist in our culture instead of pretending its still the 1890s or 1940s? The difference is that Antifa is out there committing terrorism in the present day and turning out large mobs, whereas the KKK are a defunct organization that can't fill up a high school gymnasium and half the people who show up are undercover feds.

We've got actually active groups of antifa, black supremacists and islamists on the left committing terrorist attacks, and white supremacists and neo-nazis on the right committing terrorist attacks.
One political party endorses and associates openly with their aligned extremist groups, the other rejects and disavows them.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 3 2020 02:03pm)
Let's give Antifa another few thousand years and MAYBE they will approach a small percentage of the death and damage caused by the KKK.

The comparisons you've made here are ridiculous to say the least.


Antifa are worse than actual nazis. The pies they throw have added up.
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