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Dec 26 2022 01:17pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Dec 2022 13:00)
Yes I'm sure that is yet another one of your many reasons for opposing legitimate discussion and rationalizing why you can't defend your position after running your mouth.


You are the one running your mouth and opposing legitimate discussion.

If you want to have a legitimate discussion, you can quote something I said and make a reasonable statement or ask a question about it.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Dec 2022 13:00)
Merely calling out your strawman is a new reason to flee.


You do not know what a strawman argument is and you are building one right now.

I am not going anywhere. Are you?

Why are you suggesting that I am going somewhere?

Tip: It's because you're being totally dishonest.

I simply said there was no point in this conversation and there isn't.

You are totally and completely wasting both our time right now.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Dec 2022 13:00)
You automatically "KNOW" I must not know what a logical fallacy is AND there is no point in talking to me.


Yes that's correct. Until you decide to be honest there's not going to be any point in this.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Dec 2022 13:00)
You desperately need reasons to not consider the issue and run away from debating it.
So if I recognize taxation is theft, then I must think the world is victimizing me, or im a spoiled child, or I'm lying, or I'm a criminal, and you definitely shouldn't debate the issue.


This is a conversation, not a debate and you should be thankful it's not a debate because your talking points are so bad that you would lose any debate by simply speaking.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Dec 2022 13:00)
You are an anti-intellectual clown who walked into my part of town calling me a liar and a criminal and can't back anything up.
You deserve to be talked down to based on your behavior here.


Please do not attempt to use words like anti-intellectual around me when you clearly do not know what the they mean.

This post was edited by mki on Dec 26 2022 01:20pm
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Dec 26 2022 01:22pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Dec 27 2022 08:05am)
your the one claiming that the entire country can run off donations.
prove it.


My town has a volunteer fire brigade and ambulance services. There is a private company that also takes most green waste to process as compost just some of essential services which are done without government
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Dec 26 2022 01:28pm
Quote (addone @ 26 Dec 2022 14:22)
My town has a volunteer fire brigade and ambulance services. There is a private company that also takes most green waste to process as compost just some of essential services which are done without government


For starters:

Who surveyed the land your town exists in?
Who allocated the land for the purpose of building a town?
Who managed the land after those people died?
Who built the roads to your town?
Who funded the fire truck purchase?
Who funded the ambulance purchase?
Who set rules to allow you to contact and utilize those services?
Who created a system to register companies?
Who protects you from companies stealing your money?
Who protects companies from you stealing their money?
Who funded the hospital you were born in or went to after birth?
Who funded the building of the school you attended?
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Dec 26 2022 02:02pm
Quote (mki @ Dec 27 2022 08:28am)
For starters:

Who surveyed the land your town exists in? Early settlers and any current survey can be done by a private survey for a fee and are
Who allocated the land for the purpose of building a town? Allocating land can be done by anyone it's the
Who managed the land after those people died? Family estate lawyers exist
Who built the roads to your town? This has been proven already through community projects, toll roads, business and privately funded roads exist throughout Europe and Asia and some successful trials in us also
Who funded the fire truck purchase? The initial purchase but all maintenance is volunteer funded. This doesn't stop communities to just buying one if they wanted to lol.
Who funded the ambulance purchase? Same as above
Who set rules to allow you to contact and utilize those services? Setting rules to contact a fire brigade? You just call them and they come you dip.
Who created a system to register companies? The company register just like any Web hosting service all businesses pay a fee and it maintains record.
Who protects you from companies stealing your money? Private banks and now crypto wallets
Who protects companies from you stealing their money? Same as above also have you heard of insurance?
Who funded the hospital you were born in or went to after birth? Private hospitals exist
Who funded the building of the school you attended?
private and home schooling exist also everything you mentioned can easily be funded without being forced.

I don't mind giving some of my money for public schools or hospitals in fact I would happily do so but excessive military spending or testing the effects of cocine on dogs is a pass for me

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Dec 26 2022 02:55pm
Quote (addone @ Dec 26 2022 11:22am)
My town has a volunteer fire brigade and ambulance services. There is a private company that also takes most green waste to process as compost just some of essential services which are done without government


Cool, doesn't change that donations dont run a country.
I asked before give me an example
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Dec 26 2022 03:08pm
Quote (mki @ Dec 26 2022 01:28pm)
For starters:

Who surveyed the land your town exists in?
Who allocated the land for the purpose of building a town?
Who managed the land after those people died?
Who built the roads to your town?
Who funded the fire truck purchase?
Who funded the ambulance purchase?
Who set rules to allow you to contact and utilize those services?
Who created a system to register companies?
Who protects you from companies stealing your money?
Who protects companies from you stealing their money?
Who funded the hospital you were born in or went to after birth?
Who funded the building of the school you attended?


The government are not like your parents.
They do not have your best interests in mind.
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Dec 26 2022 03:14pm
magine debatng in 2023 arent the lines already drawn
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Dec 26 2022 03:58pm
Trying to format this well, I hope it's readable.

Quote (addone @ 26 Dec 2022 15:02)
Who surveyed the land your town exists in? Early settlers and any current survey can be done by a private survey for a fee and are


It still has to be recorded and records have to be maintained by the publicly funded county register.

Who allocated the land for the purpose of building a town? Allocating land can be done by anyone it's the

No there is a legal process involved there where you transfer the deed to the property.

Who managed the land after those people died? Family estate lawyers exist

Most people don't have the luxury of their own family members donating their time.

Who built the roads to your town? This has been proven already through community projects, toll roads, business and privately funded roads exist throughout Europe and Asia and some successful trials in us also

Do you pay a toll to drive on public roads? You would be paying one on a private road. Most people consider tolls to be the same thing as a tax.

Who funded the fire truck purchase? The initial purchase but all maintenance is volunteer funded. This doesn't stop communities to just buying one if they wanted to lol.

So you're going to buy somebody a fire truck that you can't use? Sounds expensive.

Who funded the ambulance purchase? Same as above

Who set rules to allow you to contact and utilize those services? Setting rules to contact a fire brigade? You just call them and they come you dip.

Somebody created the standards for telephone communication that you are calling them on and somebody trained them.

Who created a system to register companies? The company register just like any Web hosting service all businesses pay a fee and it maintains record.

It doesn't work like a web hosting company and web hosting companies charge fees.

Who protects you from companies stealing your money? Private banks and now crypto wallets

Private banks are FDIC insured and crypto is a scam.

Who protects companies from you stealing their money? Same as above also have you heard of insurance?

Insurance is a highly regulated industry and it's not free. I would consider paying for insurance to be much more like theft than taxes because many people pay into insurance funds and get nothing out of them.

Who funded the hospital you were born in or went to after birth? Private hospitals exist

Almost all of them receive government grants of some form.

Who funded the building of the school you attended? private and home schooling exist also everything you mentioned can easily be funded without being forced.

Most parents are totally unqualified to be an educator and most people consider private schools to be overpriced(I'm being nice.)

Quote (addone @ 26 Dec 2022 15:02)
I don't mind giving some of my money for public schools or hospitals in fact I would happily do so but excessive military spending or testing the effects of cocine on dogs is a pass for me


So you don't want to pay for the things that actually keep you safe and you are okay with being mauled the death by a dog that ingested coccaine?

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Dec 26 2022 04:03pm
Quote (sirthom @ 26 Dec 2022 16:08)
The government are not like your parents.
They do not have your best interests in mind.


The government steps in and takes many children away from bad parents.

The government certainly has the best interests in mind of society as a whole, maybe not you individually, depending on what you are doing.

You know if maybe you believe that you don't have to pay into the system because somebody told you some BS like "taxes are theft."

Yeah when you end up in jail for felony tax evasion, you certainly aren't going to have the best attitude about how the government operates.
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Dec 26 2022 04:31pm
Quote (mki @ Dec 26 2022 04:03pm)
The government steps in and takes many children away from bad parents.

The government certainly has the best interests in mind of society as a whole, maybe not you individually, depending on what you are doing.

You know if maybe you believe that you don't have to pay into the system because somebody told you some BS like "taxes are theft."

Yeah when you end up in jail for felony tax evasion, you certainly aren't going to have the best attitude about how the government operates.


As I said before, not all tax is theft but all personal income tax is 100% theft and I can prove it.
To you and in court.
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