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Jul 18 2022 08:48pm
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I was extremely clear about how I feel the entire time. Read the OP that is the discussion I wanted to have. If the government has nothing to do with it, infanticide becomes legal. It has been reported to have happened in DC already. We are already at the point where the question, “do you support infanticide” is being asked during congressional hearings and democrats refusing to answer the question.


Anyways, the fact remains there is a bill that house democrats pushed on with overwhelming support, which allows abortions until birth on a federal level. Why don’t pro abortion supporters want to discuss this?



It is ironic how those who defend pro abortion laws literally cannot defend pro abortion laws. Prove me wrong


If you'd read a book you would know the vast majority of abortions happen in the first trimester. Late term abortions are extremely rare and almost all of them happen when either the life of the mother is threatened or the fetus carries a mutation that is incompatible with life, like a future juggalo gene.
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Jul 18 2022 08:51pm
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I was extremely clear about how I feel the entire time. Read the OP that is the discussion I wanted to have. If the government has nothing to do with it, infanticide becomes legal. It has been reported to have happened in DC already. We are already at the point where the question, “do you support infanticide” is being asked during congressional hearings and democrats refusing to answer the question.


Anyways, the fact remains there is a bill that house democrats pushed on with overwhelming support, which allows abortions until birth on a federal level. Why don’t pro abortion supporters want to discuss this?



It is ironic how those who defend pro abortion laws literally cannot defend pro abortion laws. Prove me wrong


There's not a magic window of time you can say "it will always be safe at this point both for mother and child" when it comes to being pregnant.

You have to encompass the entire process otherwise you will need to write out a huge list of complications of varying degrees that in reality are at a doctors decision on treatment. This is why law and government have no place in this.

Again....doctors and patients should have the only say not some dumbass 3rd party and for damn sure not a government.
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Jul 18 2022 09:07pm
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There's not a magic window of time you can say "it will always be safe at this point both for mother and child" when it comes to being pregnant.

You have to encompass the entire process otherwise you will need to write out a huge list of complications of varying degrees that in reality are at a doctors decision on treatment. This is why law and government have no place in this.

Again....doctors and patients should have the only say not some dumbass 3rd party and for damn sure not a government.


Thank you by the way.


There is zero chance that every doctor is 100% honest and moral and will only perform late term abortions for the utmost emergencies.

I don’t know what fantasy world you grew up in, but this is terrible law. I am curious as to where you stand on gun control, because “if it saves one life” is a very common saying among people with similar views as yourself.

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Thank you by the way.


There is zero chance that every doctor is 100% honest and moral and will only perform late term abortions for the utmost emergencies.

I don’t know what fantasy world you grew up in, but this is terrible law. I am curious as to where you stand on gun control, because “if it saves one life” is a very common saying among people with similar views as yourself.


Brain rot so real that you trust politicians over doctors on women's healthcare. Faygo, not even once.

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Thank you by the way.


There is zero chance that every doctor is 100% honest and moral and will only perform late term abortions for the utmost emergencies.

I don’t know what fantasy world you grew up in, but this is terrible law. I am curious as to where you stand on gun control, because “if it saves one life” is a very common saying among people with similar views as yourself.


but you trust the 3rd party to be 100% honest and moral? like wtf

Do you really think women get late term abortions just because they don't want the child anymore after carrying it for 25+ weeks? They just decide nope that's it don't want it anymore? You clearly have no empathy for women. Maybe you should talk to your mother about here pregnancy and how she felt.

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Abortions occurring at or after 21 weeks gestation are rare. According to the CDC’s Abortion Surveillance Data, the vast majority of abortions (91%) occur at or before 13 weeks gestation, while 7.7% occur from weeks 14 to 20 gestation, and just 1.2% of abortions are performed at or after 21 weeks


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“Viability is reached when, in the judgment of the attending physician on the particular facts of the case before him, there is a reasonable likelihood of the fetus’ sustained survival outside the womb, with or without artificial support. Because this point may differ with each pregnancy, neither the legislature nor the courts may proclaim one of the elements entering into the ascertainment of viability – be it weeks of gestation or fetal weight or any other single factor – as the determinant of when the State has a compelling interest in the life or health of the fetus.” Colautti v. Franklin (1979)


Why do you want the government to have control over women's bodies? This should be the quesion here.

Just to get your stance here. Do you want to ban abortions all together? Or what do you want the government to decide?
There are so many factors. Not only the circumstances of the mother or the fetus but also insurance and location which could influence viability.

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Is there any actual stats that show women will have abortions after 3+ Months pregnant for a non health reason?
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Is there any actual stats that show women will have abortions after 3+ Months pregnant for a non health reason?



Here is proof that a good chunk of our governing body wants it to be legal anyways.


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but you trust the 3rd party to be 100% honest and moral? like wtf

Do you really think women get late term abortions just because they don't want the child anymore after carrying it for 25+ weeks? They just decide nope that's it don't want it anymore? You clearly have no empathy for women. Maybe you should talk to your mother about here pregnancy and how she felt.





Why do you want the government to have control over women's bodies? This should be the quesion here.

Just to get your stance here. Do you want to ban abortions all together? Or what do you want the government to decide?
There are so many factors. Not only the circumstances of the mother or the fetus but also insurance and location which could influence viability.



Why is it so hard for most to discuss this without throwing slogans out. When a woman gets denied an alcohol purchase at 6:30am, is that the government controlling her body? Terrible comparison, I know, but you are throwing slogans at me and trying to make me personally look like a jerk, but didn’t even mention the bill. It is basically the government’s only purpose to impose restrictions on its people. We have a situation where almost half of the population believes human beings are legally being murdered, and the idea is to try to pass laws allowing this to happen even more and with less restrictions? That is insane to anybody who isn’t being tribal on the issue.

When things are rare, they still occur. If you want to focus on how rare late term abortions are for non life threatening reasons, the fact is it still happens. But why focus on late term abortions? How often do you think women have abortions as a form of birth control period? It would be tremendously difficult to get any accurate information on the reasons why women abort their kids, for obvious reasons, but give it an honest think. To many people, the later along the pregnancy the abortion happens, it just makes it even worse. This doesn’t excuse all of the “oopsie doopsie” abortions that happen 10 or 12 weeks out.

This bill would have made it to where there is zero discussion at all on any level. They should have called it the End of Discussion Bill 2021. The Very Few Questions Asked Act. The Zero Compromises Act.

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Here is proof that a good chunk of our governing body wants it to be legal anyways.





Why is it so hard for most to discuss this without throwing slogans out. When a woman gets denied an alcohol purchase at 6:30am, is that the government controlling her body?


No it isn't she has the freedom to drink whenever she wants.

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I know, but you are throwing slogans at me and trying to make me personally look like a jerk, but didn’t even mention the bill.


Which slogans? you are the one with republican talking points. "human beings are legally murdered"
The bill is there so the government needs to fuck off when a women and doctors decide over her body.
Again what gives the government authority do decide such thing? Without any expertice on the issue.

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We have a situation where almost half of the population believes human beings are legally being murdered


Those people have no clue when abortions happen and why. And they have no clue what a human being is.

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When things are rare, they still occur. If you want to focus on how rare late term abortions are for non life threatening reasons, the fact is it still happens. But why focus on late term abortions? How often do you think women have abortions as a form of birth control period? It would be tremendously difficult to get any accurate information on the reasons why women abort their kids, for obvious reasons, but give it an honest think. To many people, the later along the pregnancy the abortion happens, it just makes it even worse. This doesn’t excuse all of the “oopsie doopsie” abortions that happen 10 or 12 weeks out.


honestly, you are disgusting. Abortions as birth control?
You fell so hard for that Team Red abortion propaganda it's not even funny anymore.

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This bill would have made it to where there is zero discussion at all on any level. They should have called it the End of Discussion Bill 2021


The bill is there so the discussion is between the patient and a doctor and not some 3rd party

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babies arent humans they're just tiny meat sacks that cant fend for themselves and therefore should be classified as food rather than sentient beings.
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and the idea is to try to pass laws allowing this to happen even more and with less restrictions?


If you ban abortions they still gonna happen. If not a doctor is doing it the good old metal hanger will do it np. But then actual human beings will die.
you aren't saving lifes if you ban abortions you destroy them.

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That is insane to anybody who isn’t being tribal on the issue.


Majority of anti abortionists are religious nut jobs. wtf are you talking about?

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