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May 13 2022 04:17pm
https://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN
a.k.a. GOD OF THE GAPS
a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
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Quote (duffman316 @ May 13 2022 06:17pm)
https://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN
a.k.a. GOD OF THE GAPS
a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.


None of that has to do with my arguments.

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May 13 2022 04:20pm
Quote (Ephesians61213 @ May 13 2022 02:57pm)
If Dawkins recognizes the apparent design in human beings enough to see that we could be the product of aliens, then why not God? And why is he capable of seeing the apparent design of humans and not the aliens in his possible explanation for the existence of human beings? Which would then point back to God? It's almost as though he's full of shit.


are you starting to "understand atheism/antitheism?"

if you understand scripture ? its a spiritual problem and not a intellectual problem? so its much more complex than it appears on the surface?

my experience, antitheist, they dont want a God that holds them accountable
atheist, believe what they been taught and dont think about it or challenge it.

its a rare day an atheist will talk about it while an antitheist will bicker about it endlessly.


right now I am trying to remember the "appearance of design" argument
i dont think anyone argues that it (biology) doesnt "appear to be designed"

but yea atheists/antitheists are the ones making the excuses. :)

here is something
Francis Crick
Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved. — Francis Crick. What Mad Pursuit (1990), 138.

This post was edited by TiStuff on May 13 2022 04:23pm
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Quote (Ephesians61213 @ May 13 2022 05:14pm)
So, how did the rock 'choose' (I wasn't aware of rocks having free will) to make itself into a heart-shape and how is this comparable to computers and DNA?


I don't think it chose. But it looks like it did.

It is apparently designed, while not actually being designed. Wouldn't you agree?
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May 13 2022 04:24pm
Quote (Ephesians61213 @ May 13 2022 06:17pm)
None of that has to do with my arguments.


it is your argument, if you were smarter like an atheist you would realize it
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Quote (Ephesians61213 @ May 13 2022 03:01pm)
That's not circular logic because my conclusion is based on,

1. We have evidence for apparently designed structures and processes (buildings, video games, computers, etc.) that we know are in fact designed.
2. We have no evidence for apparently designed structures and processes that are in fact not designed.


Still circular unless you can justify why the natural universe doesn't count as not designed.
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Quote (duffman316 @ May 13 2022 06:24pm)
it is your argument, if you were smarter like an atheist you would realize it


No, it's not my argument at all. But feel free to refute my argument at any time.
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Quote (Sioux @ May 13 2022 06:29pm)
Still circular unless you can justify why the natural universe doesn't count as not designed.


It doesn't count as undesigned because there's no good reason to think so.

Because

1. We have evidence for apparently designed structures and processes (buildings, video games, computers, etc.) that we know are in fact designed.
2. We have no evidence for apparently designed structures and processes that are in fact not designed.
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May 13 2022 04:36pm
Quote (duffman316 @ May 13 2022 03:24pm)
it is your argument, if you were smarter like an atheist you would realize it


its not an intellectual problem because he already has that part worked out
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 13 2022 06:21pm)

It is apparently designed, while not actually being designed. Wouldn't you agree?


How does a rock in your yard that you think looks like a heart have to do with computers or DNA?

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