I can see how there might be a few individuals who are given to lying and that they made up lies about Jews. However, when you have many many people, both contemporary as well as from history, who say these things about Jews, then there is probably a kernel of truth to it. You know what they say, when there is smoke, there is usually fire.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Apr 6 2022 12:38pm

they're saying some jews were involved in slavery, but the narrative that jews predominately ran the slave trade is demonstrably false.

"Lots of people say it, therefore it must be true" is called the bandwagon fallacy. Lots of people say a lot of things throughout history. Doesn't make them true.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Apr 6 2022 12:42pm

I never said it must be true. I said there is probably a kernel of truth.

There is a "kernel of truth" and it's that Jews weren't allowed to own property for a lot of history in Europe, which meant they had to make money in other ways, and since Christians weren't allowed to loan money to other Christians with interest through most of history it meant Jews mostly made their living by loaning money.

That's where the "greedy jewish banker" stereotype comes from, and when a kingdom or organization couldn't pay back their debt they would frequently rile up anti-semitism and just straight up murder the jews holding their debt.

So yeah, there is a kernel of truth, but the kernel of truth just reveals how Jews have historically been scapegoats.

I didn't ask how Jews became greedy. I asked whether they are greedy.



I don't think Kings or Queens riled up anti-semitism. I believe there was hatred for Jews due to the way Jews behaved. And people responded to that, and they turned to their rulers to expel Jews.

I am not saying I must be right. I am just saying that you don't have the monopoly on truth. Remember, neither of us was alive during those times, and my version of the events is just as valid as yours.


I have heard of the trope, "Jews are scapegoats" too many times.

Except mine is based on evidence and yours is based on "well, they must have had a reason not to like jews!"

You are entitled to your opinion, but our opinions are not equally valuable. Yours is worthless because you have nothing to back it up.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Apr 6 2022 03:56pm

Not really.

And I can just as easily say that you are a Jew-lover.

You just admitted that no amount of evidence would convince you because evidence that goes against your opinion comes from "jew lovers".

And I suppose you are able to back up yours?