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Mar 31 2022 09:05am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 31 2022 09:58am)
Cool story. Now actually respond to the OP instead of what you wish I wrote.


that was my response.

behavioral tendencies of both sexes, previously referred to as gender for human history, is based mostly on brain chemistry, not socially constructed norms. the subconscious mind is more formed by biological forces of chemistry than socially constructed inner dialogues of superficial norms. and further the norms themselves are largely a reaction to this brain chemistry, not superficially created.

ive stated the same thing in about 5 ways now from complex to mind numbingly simplistic and asked you to respond then u strawmanned me and acted insulted at the strawman u created lol. when i ask you to get specific, ask for examples of where the line is in your opinion u started to post like a 15 year old who found weed for the first time, "all words are like made up maaaaaaan", "we put stuff in like categories maaaaaan".

nature doesnt make categories? what's a phylum? what's a genus? why can a coyote mate with a fox but not a horse?
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Mar 31 2022 09:06am
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a gay...cat :wacko: ? seriously? ive never seen a gay cat :wacko:


Dude cat named Granby. He was fixed, but so was my other dude cat who was the alpha of the house. Granby would try fucking the alpha male cat of the house. Strangest thing.
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that was my response.

behavioral tendencies of both sexes, previously referred to as gender for human history, is based mostly on brain chemistry, not socially constructed norms. the subconscious mind is more formed by biological forces of chemistry than socially constructed inner dialogues of superficial norms. and further the norms themselves are largely a reaction to this brain chemistry, not superficially created.

ive stated the same thing in about 5 ways now from complex to mind numbingly simplistic and asked you to respond then u strawmanned me and acted insulted at the strawman u created lol. when i ask you to get specific, ask for examples of where the line is in your opinion u started to post like a 15 year old who found weed for the first time, "all words are like made up maaaaaaan", "we put stuff in like categories maaaaaan".

nature doesnt make categories? what's a phylum? what's a genus? why can a coyote mate with a fox but not a horse?


Classifying things based on what they can mate with is something you do. Nature creates things that can mate with some other things and not mate with others. It's your decision to put those things into boxes and label them based on what they can mate with.

This is like, philosophy 101 level material. Not something you should be so emotionally opposed to accepting.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Mar 31 2022 09:13am
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Mar 31 2022 09:14am
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Dude cat named Granby. He was fixed, but so was my other dude cat who was the alpha of the house. Granby would try fucking the alpha male cat of the house. Strangest thing.


its a cute name but that sure is weird :wacko: ive never seen solitary animals do that, maybe its like that "prison gayness" that appears in humans :unsure:
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Mar 31 2022 09:18am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 31 2022 11:05am)
nature doesnt make categories? what's a phylum? what's a genus? why can a coyote mate with a fox but not a horse?


Foucault has a lot to say about taxonomy in The Order of Things. It is a way of categorization based in similitude. Taxonomy used to be based in differences prior to this scientific paradigm.

A phylum didn't exist before some dudes made it up and decided on a collective definition for it.

Just a thought in taxonomy.

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Foucault has a lot to say about taxonomy in The Order of Things. It is a way of categorization based in similitude. Taxonomy used to be based in differences prior to this scientific paradigm.

A phylum didn't exist before some dudes made it up and decided on a collective definition for it.


People are acting like taxonomy was just obvious and we didn't have like two thousand years of people thinking "rabbitness" existed somewhere in a perfect dimension :lol:

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Mar 31 2022 09:19am
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Mar 31 2022 09:25am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 31 2022 05:12pm)
Classifying things based on what they can mate with is something you do. Nature creates things that can mate with some other things and not mate with others. It's your decision to put those things into boxes and label them based on what they can mate with.

This is like, philosophy 101 level material. Not something you should be so emotionally opposed to accepting.


whenever philosophy or emotions enter a scientific field, its not to advance science :wacko: science needs clear thinking and any obfuscation will just hinder it, not improve it

i understand the need to define things properly, but you were intentionally defining them improperly :wacko: every definition you gave was incorrect in a small but important way :wacko:
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Mar 31 2022 09:27am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 31 2022 10:12am)
Classifying things based on what they can mate with is something you do. Nature creates things that can mate with some other things and not mate with others. It's your decision to put those things into boxes and label them based on what they can mate with.

This is like, philosophy 101 level material. Not something you should be so emotionally opposed to accepting.


the issue you're having is continuing to think that im opposed to this sidebar, rather than simply realizing its a sidebar that's not relevant to the science we're speaking of.

next if i ask you which human behaviors are driven by chemical biology and which are driven by social construction you'll tell me that humans decided what a fight was and created the word gossip.

Quote (Skinned @ Mar 31 2022 10:18am)
Foucault has a lot to say about taxonomy in The Order of Things. It is a way of categorization based in similitude. Taxonomy used to be based in differences prior to this scientific paradigm.

A phylum didn't exist before some dudes made it up and decided on a collective definition for it.

Just a thought in taxonomy.


evolutionary taxonomy can still be tracked via DNA study tho. the fact that we thought Pandas were bears for a while doesnt change my point. nature does through evolution create categories, the fact we identify and name them doesnt change that.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 31 2022 04:46am)
I for one miss when feminism was a liberal ideal. How did conservatives become champions of feminism? I know women who were pioneers in early tech fields who are now 'JK Rowling's
Imagine supporting women's rights groups all your life, building women's shelters, organizing women's sports, funding maternity centers- only to be told "women" can no longer be defined, shelters must take in big hairy sex predators or be terrorized by them, Will Thomas gets to call himself Lia and now we're at "birthing people"


Overton window strikes again. I personally find it super cringe that the right wing is now trying to weasel its way into championing feminism when we should be mercilessly trying to crush it into oblivion. When will we learn to stop playing the left's game?
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Mar 31 2022 09:32am
Anyone can be anything.
Love is love.
Anyone can love anyone.
Kiddie love is normal and good.

That is EXACTLY where this is going.
Don't let anyone try to trick you into thinking it isn't.
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