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Mar 11 2022 02:34pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 11 2022 09:31pm)


Oh look another guy that doesn't have arguments, sources or whatever, posting silly gifs.

Laughable

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Mar 11 2022 02:34pm
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Oh look another guy that doesn't have arguments, sources or whatever, posting silly gifs.

Laughable


Says the guy with his tail still between his legs over Keystone XL.

LOL.
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Mar 11 2022 02:40pm
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ive already watched it twice, and addressed the "broken promise" argument several times. as well as having laid out that russia has only itself to blame for military encirclement.

what's next, we cry for Kim Jong Un and blame the west for his encirclement?


Do you even know history? Do you not know that the USSR pulled out of Eastern Europe after drawn out negotiations where they were told NATO would not expand East if they (the Russians I mean, to be clear and not confuse Eeyore) withdrew from Eastern Germany.

What has this to do with NK?

And I pointed out what the Russians mean by American double standards and hypocrisy, are you now shying away from the subject?
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Mar 11 2022 02:41pm
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The common sense here is that putin wants to install Ukraine as a puppet and NATO is a distant second concern.

Hes been highly aggressive in the area for a long time and it cant all be explained by NATO.


Its very easy to understand in terms of spheres of influence. Reaching NATO membership is just the extreme. NATO expansion isn't just a creeping process, its a gradual one in each country. Ukraine was within the Russian sphere of influence for hundreds of years. It was wrested from Russia's sphere and put on the distant edges of the western sphere via the Euromaidan coup. Ukraine wasn't anywhere close to being a NATO member then, nor was it now, and American administrations have generally acted around the hazards of provoking Russia with NATO leaping forward. But that creeping influence still remains. And as long as Ukraine was not firmly within the western sphere, it was vulnerable to being seized back by Russian by force. Which is what is happening right now.

We can call it Putin making Ukraine his puppet, but America was pretty blatant about it this time around too. If the powers that be could have kept their fingers out of Ukraine's pockets, we could pretend our motives were altruistic and for the benefit of Ukrainians.
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Mar 11 2022 02:45pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Mar 11 2022 09:34pm)
Says the guy with his tail still between his legs over Keystone XL.

LOL.


What were Biden administration's campaign promises?

And now he's pro fossil fuels and gonna import oil from Venezuela perhaps?

How can you vote for such morons?

Time for you to run with your tail between your legs.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/so-the-biden-administration-is-pro-fossil-fuels-now/

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What were Biden administration's campaign promises?

And now he's pro fossil fuels and gonna import oil from Venezuela perhaps?

How can you vote for such morons?

Time for you to run with your tail between your legs.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/so-the-biden-administration-is-pro-fossil-fuels-now/


Didn't vote for them.

Thanks for playing.
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Mar 11 2022 03:07pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 11 2022 03:40pm)
Do you even know history? Do you not know that the USSR pulled out of Eastern Europe after drawn out negotiations where they were told NATO would not expand East if they (the Russians I mean, to be clear and not confuse Eeyore) withdrew from Eastern Germany.

What has this to do with NK?

And I pointed out what the Russians mean by American double standards and hypocrisy, are you now shying away from the subject?


they pulled out of East Germany after signing an agreement that did not include anything about expansion. they took the word of someone without the ability to make such promises, then gave NATO even more reason to expand for decades on end.

you've been schooled on this distinction for days, yet keep presenting it over and over.
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Mar 11 2022 03:09pm
Well I saw the list
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they pulled out of East Germany after signing an agreement that did not include anything about expansion. they took the word of someone without the ability to make such promises, then gave NATO even more reason to expand for decades on end.

you've been schooled on this distinction for days, yet keep presenting it over and over.


You just proved that they actually have a point and that from their point of view we cannot be trusted. Sad cuz they could've been fantastic trade partners, a new arms race would be avoided and wars like the one we're discussing
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Mar 11 2022 03:21pm
Quote (Djunior @ Mar 11 2022 04:15pm)
You just proved that they actually have a point and that from their point of view we cannot be trusted. Sad cuz they could've been fantastic trade partners, a new arms race would be avoided and wars like the one we're discussing


fantastic trade partners? they're a backwater homogenous economy.

funny that russians even dare to call others untrustworthy tho. i guess to convince idiots they have a point.
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