You are still trying to demean and project false characterisation while the irony grows wider. The point of my post was having paid leave is a luxury. You got triggered real bad and trying fruitlessly to besmirch me and my profession. Remember that if my profession was so shitty and horrible I would be out of business and wouldn't have all these guys lining up for work. But the world doesn't care about your feelings does it?

Ask yourself who would work 16 hours a day on an oil rig probably in real rough conditions, then demands more paid leave, returning back to sleeping quarters stinking of oil and little to no social time? Probably a guy who only does it for money and it makes sense now when you ask for more because why not it's a trillion dollar industry that pollutes the planet who cares?
Maybe you try to stand under umbrella of altruism as a way to show you care about the plight of others? Except those dirty jobs they are not "normal" people they smell like horse shit you say.

But when a manager of a 1.4b company comes swinging ego of moby dick *crickets*

This post was edited by addone on Feb 5 2022 12:21am

Sigh...oil rig=/=hydraulic fracturing

Sigh...luxury=/=benefit

I actually enjoy the mental and physical challenges that come with this field. It keeps me satisfied knowing I have ample opportunity to learn, tinker, and improve based on my own knowledge of the field.

Sure there are lazy consulting gigs after you gain experience, but this is an unsatisfying role fit for people who don't have pride in their skills and knowledge.

Hotels aren't so bad. Mobile crews don't have to deal with man camps because we travel a lot.

Money is nice and all, but I generally don't care outside of it helping my loved ones. Mostly being engaged in my work and gaining true understanding of how frac operations run in it's entirety is pretty satisfying to me.

To be clear...you talk horse shit which is why I smell it on you. Again...work on that ego.

And yeah the oil and gas industry need to die off for sure, but until then i'm going to get my jollys tweaking a blender staring at a missile under 14500 PSI 4 feet away running 90 barrels a minute while running around making sure hydraulic hoses aren't leaking, chemicals aren't leaking, the list is too large to keep naming stuff to do.

Point is the job fulfills a lot of what I want out of a job aside from the 2 week on 1 week off rotation, but that's a sacrifice I made many times to be around complex operations that keep my soul from being crushed into a corporate suit or dead end job.

Other dude didn't pick fights over his career....you did. Realize you can be better and start working on it.

I don't carry same views at all. All it is creative accounting at work. I look at net all these "benefits", paid leaves, 401k, health insurance, maternity leave, employee discounts, accomodation, food etc etc are watered down version your actual net pay. Simple here is X all inclusive, or commission based %.

A long list of benefits only creates more problems when a machine has too many moving parts the greater chance of something going wrong. Some of those things will not get claimed and will only line the pockets of your boss. Essentially you are paying automatic insurance in the hopes the company will honour your request when time arises.
Corporates are smart entities they know they can dangle all these carrots which are yours to make it seem like you have to try harder then you should.

This post was edited by addone on Feb 5 2022 02:05am

Keep on rockin in the free world.

All wages are a loss to the one working. Thats why profit exist.

You realize that personal health insurance is widely more expensive than company plans, right?

1.2k a month was what I was offered after leaving Halliburton to keep the same insurance because they even covered fertility treatments and in virto fertilization for families that wanted to use that part of the plan....this was the most basic offered and cost me $100 a month for tons of benefits that would bankrupt me.

Sorry you think benefits aren't beneficial I guess......

Guessing you meant that all wages are a loss to the employer, as opposed to the worker, no?

See, the problem with trying to call company group plan insurance a "wage" or "benefit" is that a healthy 20 year old may not want insurance at all, and quite frankly, they probably don't need it. Why should a 20 year old starbucks worker making $15/hour 40 hours a week, grossing around $2500/month, already watching $500 go away in taxes, $1000 going away in rent, another $500 going away in utilities, food, cleaning supplies, etc. and the majority of the remaining $500 going away in transportation costs want or be willing to spend $400-$600/month on some insurance plan that would cost $1400 on the open market? Like, seriously, they're a healthy young adult. Why are you assuming they need insurance at all? The standard excuses of "well a simple doctor's visit can cost $200!" Okay? So that means what, to justify your insurance you need to visit the doctor 2-3 times a month? "Even a simple surgery like an Appendectomy can costs $20,000!" Okay? So you're going to pay for insurance that you don't need for 40 years based on the idea that you may end up requiring a surgery that would require 4 years worth of insurance payments to pay off directly? And let's not even figure in the fact that even most group insurance plans have premiums that require that anywhere from the first $2000 to $5000 per year has to come out of your pocket, not theirs.

One of the things the ACA did was make it so you can simply not get health insurance until/unless you need it, and they can't refuse you simply because you've got a condition. Given enrollment periods, that may not help for something like an emergency appendectomy, but it would definitely assist your bank account, stock portfolio, etc. to simply invest that $400-$600/month as opposed to putting it into a financial service that is unlikely to benefit you until you hit your 50's or 60's. The fact that young healthy single people ever buy into the insurance scam is purely laughable. And calling it a "benefit" to the employee is dumb. It's just a way to pay fewer direct per hour dollars.

I suspect if you asked that Starbucks worker, "Hey, we can give you a raise to $25/hour. All it'll require is that you no longer get any paid vacation (unpaid is okay though), 401K company match, employee stock purchase plan discounts, or group health insurance plan discounts. Is that better, or would you prefer your current 'benefits' and keep earning $15/hour?" What you'll find is 99% of starbucks workers will answer, "I'll take the $25, like, why are you even asking?" And the 1% who answer differently? Are nearing retirement age and/or have current and active health issues.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 5 2022 12:47pm

To top it off reqruitment agencies slice around around 12% - 50% of your cut aswell. Just so that they are able to fire you without unions and lawsuits getting in the way. Bump that wage to $30 - 35 per hour for promise of not being a communist crybaby if the company decides to fire your ass



This implies you didn't read/understand my post. Now imagine getting paid that extra 1.2k a month but you decide on your own insurance if you need it at all. Why is getting paid up front as a concept illudes you?

That's one way, the temp agencies or whatever. The other way, most commonly practiced by retail giants such as Safeway/Albertsons, Kroger, Walmart, Target, etc. and by fast food chains, coffee places like Starbucks, etc. Is to not give you full time hours. So rather than working 40/week, you're averaging 31/week, and don't qualify for the group rate insurance, stock purchase discount, 401K match, get far less paid vacation, etc. Then, to add insult to injury, they give you a varied schedule, rather than set, so that you can't go get a second job to make up for the lost incomes.

"Benefits".

Just leave parasite

This is the problem with your ignorance on the subject. It doesn't cost anyone 1.2k a month because its a group plan. Why would they pay me personal insurance rates for something i'm offered at a huge discount from the start?

Also the very nature of insurance is you don't need it til you need it...then you need it. Tried having cancer lately without any insurance or catastrophic PTO? It's kind of bad.....kind of real bad. This happens all the time it's not some thought experiment.