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Dec 1 2021 11:52pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 2 Dec 2021 05:17)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income

An oligarchy that is still richer for the median person than Australia. And we don't get locked in our houses for months on end. Life is pretty great.


median income is an incredibly flawed metric to measure how well the average person in a specific country is actually doing.

i know that americans love it because it lets them pretend like they are much better off than they actually are, but the reality is that no one who actually knows the first thing about statistics and living as an adult is fooled by that. what about healthcare cost? what about sick days? what about parental leave? what about weekly working hours? what about education cost?

it's funny how a country with such a high "income" also has such a high poverty rate, so many people on food stamps, so many people having to work second and third jobs, so many people not able to go see a doctor, so many people living paycheck to paycheck, so many people just one illness away from financial ruin, such a low and declining life expectancy, record income inequality...

none of that should be news to you btw, yet you choose to lick oligarch boot and blindly defend the american system of extreme capitalist exploitation. you might think that's patriotism, but you're wrong, it's simple-minded jingoism.
a real patriot recognises the flaws in their country and tries to improve it. the american right winger, on the other hand, is brainwashed with decades of propaganda about how their country is the greatest in the world, and was told that criticising it is blasphemy. that's how "free" you people are, lol.
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Dec 2 2021 12:01am
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median income is an incredibly flawed metric to measure how well the average person in a specific country is actually doing.

i know that americans love it because it lets them pretend like they are much better off than they actually are, but the reality is that no one who actually knows the first thing about statistics and living as an adult is fooled by that. what about healthcare cost? what about sick days? what about parental leave? what about weekly working hours? what about education cost?

it's funny how a country with such a high "income" also has such a high poverty rate, so many people on food stamps, so many people having to work second and third jobs, so many people not able to go see a doctor, so many people living paycheck to paycheck, so many people just one illness away from financial ruin, such a low and declining life expectancy, record income inequality...

none of that should be news to you btw, yet you choose to lick oligarch boot and blindly defend the american system of extreme capitalist exploitation. you might think that's patriotism, but you're wrong, it's simple-minded jingoism.
a real patriot recognises the flaws in their country and tries to improve it. the american right winger, on the other hand, is brainwashed with decades of propaganda about how their country is the greatest in the world, and was told that criticising it is blasphemy. that's how "free" you people are, lol.


Here is just one reason the poverty level seems so much higher in the US.

We will use the UK as an example, I think we can agree the uk is a comparable country when it comes to standard of living. The poverty line in the us is 147 euros a week. That is $8,653 a year in US dollars.

They also have a different poverty line defined for couples with at least two children, which equates to $20,834 in the states. About the same as the United States but that is specifically for at least a four person household.

Ahem, FACTS :rofl:
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Dec 2 2021 12:06am
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Median income doesn't mean a lot anymore when distribution is garbage and expenses actually get higher the poorer you are.

Health insurance is cheaper than an ER trip, but it's so expensive that plenty of people still can't get health insurance yet still need to go to the ER.


That median income also fails to account for australians not paying for health insurance and our medical costs being 20% of a us citizens.
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Dec 2 2021 12:09am
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ 2 Dec 2021 06:46)
Lol bro this entire exchange is you trying to tell me I lied about owning a gun, or not owning a gun, i don’t even know what lie you think I am telling, or how it is even relevant. I don’t belong to, or even really pay attention to the nra. You insinuate I am some sort of nra supporting gun nut when I am simply saying your argument is shit. It is entirely possible and likely I can agree with things the nra may say and not be some insane nut job gun nut.

I am in no way looking for support from anybody I have been telling you, username fender, if you have a direct question, instead of hyperbolic accusations about my character, I will be glad to answer and clear the air.

Why do you feel so strongly about me not owning a firearm, yet at the same time supporting the right to have one? It is almost as if when people don’t fit outrageous stereotypes the argument absolutely crumbles.


i asked you the question a fourth or fifth time in the very post you quoted, even highlighted it, yet you still pretend you're too dumb to identify it. at this point you're not scrambling to save face anymore, you're straight up insulting your own intelligence, lol.

i'm happy to let you dance again for me though. here's my direct question to you: what did you mean by "not having to depend on complete strangers for personal safety"? if that's really not the lazy pro gun talking point that nra npcs usually bring up, which directly contradicts your previous claim not to own a gun, what else were you trying to say?

see, i can just copy it, and now you will have to find yet another angle to pretend it's below you to explain it, once again avoiding a straight answer, and delude yourself that it wasn't crystal clear to anyone reading it, lol. oh, and not to forget: pretend you didn't see a question, and that you have no clue what i'm even on about. now dance for me!
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Dec 2 2021 12:12am
Quote (Skinned @ Dec 2 2021 01:46pm)
Squirtle squirtle

His access to handguns would be a starter for real.

When I was a kid all we could get were ninja weapons at flea markets.


Yea and you have access to kitchen knives too, did you go out and stab people for fun?

I think many kids especially boys like when we grew up we wanted guns and shoot coke cans out in the backyard. I think guns should definitely be locked up or at least be used under supervision of an adult until the kid comes of age and is responsible enough to handle a weapon. That's common sense simple as that. How did he have access to the weapons to begin with? Did he steal them? why did he do that? Nobody healthy and of sound mind just wakes up one morning and says to themselves "well i feel like shooting a bunch of kids at school today".

Simpleton logic like lets ban all guns can only come from lazy and reactionary minds. Great you ban all guns super now kids are out there stabbing people with knives and setting buildings on fire instead well done u solved a symptom with a band aid.

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Dec 1 2021 11:29pm)
The only thing that should be banned, is the national reporting of the incident.


This is something I will be always interested in if it would make a difference

I know I don't know anything outside my city/state if I don't look for it
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Dec 2 2021 12:18am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 2 2021 12:06am)
That median income also fails to account for australians not paying for health insurance and our medical costs being 20% of a us citizens.


Pretty much all analysis showing America is better doesn't take into account a lot of really friggin obvious stuff

We pay way more for health insurance, we have a worse social safety net, etc. etc.

Overall if you sum it up, Americans are in a worse place than other first-world countries until you break into like the top like 80th percentile of earners.
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Dec 2 2021 12:21am
Quote (addone @ 2 Dec 2021 07:12)
Yea and you have access to kitchen knives too, did you go out and stab people for fun?

I think many kids especially boys like when we grew up we wanted guns and shoot coke cans out in the backyard. I think guns should definitely be locked up or at least be used under supervision of an adult until the kid comes of age and is responsible enough to handle a weapon. That's common sense simple as that. How did he have access to the weapons to begin with? Did he steal them? why did he do that? Nobody healthy and of sound mind just wakes up one morning and says to themselves "well i feel like shooting a bunch of kids at school today".

Simpleton logic like lets ban all guns can only come from lazy and reactionary minds. Great you ban all guns super now kids are out there stabbing people with knives and setting buildings on fire instead well done u solved a symptom with a band aid.


you know what every country has in abundance? mentally ill and unstable people who hate their co-workers / classmates / teachers / bosses...

you know what most countries don't have? easy access to firearms and almost daily mass killings in schools, churches, cinemas, workplaces, concerts...

now since you're totally not a simpleton, what does that tell you?
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Dec 2 2021 12:34am
Quote (fender @ Dec 2 2021 01:09am)
i asked you the question a fourth or fifth time in the very post you quoted, even highlighted it, yet you still pretend you're too dumb to identify it. at this point you're not scrambling to save face anymore, you're straight up insulting your own intelligence, lol.

i'm happy to let you dance again for me though. here's my direct question to you: what did you mean by "not having to depend on complete strangers for personal safety"? if that's really not the lazy pro gun talking point that nra npcs usually bring up, which directly contradicts your previous claim not to own a gun, what else were you trying to say?

see, i can just copy it, and now you will have to find yet another angle to pretend it's below you to explain it, once again avoiding a straight answer, and delude yourself that it wasn't crystal clear to anyone reading it, lol. oh, and not to forget: pretend you didn't see a question, and that you have no clue what i'm even on about. now dance for me!



Insufferable. Absolutely insufferable.

Let me try it this way. Ahem.. Of all the people I feel I can depend on to protect my personal safety, I am well acquainted with each of them.

Or maybe this way. Ahem….. If my life were to be in danger, I believe I am fully capable of handling the situation without interference from outside resources.

What I meant by that sentence is literally the sentence itself the fuck are we taking about. Read the sentence again those are the exact words I chose to relay to you whether or not I feel I can handle a dangerous situation. I am not typing this out again you fucking lunatic.

If you have to picture me in your mind sitting on a rocking chair on my deck with a shot gun on my lap and a jug of moonshine next to me then fuck it live your life dude.


Tell me how I am wrong about the poverty line in the uk I would love to hear this.
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Dec 2 2021 12:36am
Quote (WickedDarkJuggalos @ Dec 2 2021 01:01am)
Here is just one reason the poverty level seems so much higher in the US.

We will use the UK as an example, I think we can agree the uk is a comparable country when it comes to standard of living. The poverty line in the us is 147 euros a week. That is $8,653 a year in US dollars.

They also have a different poverty line defined for couples with at least two children, which equates to $20,834 in the states. About the same as the United States but that is specifically for at least a four person household.

Ahem, FACTS :rofl:


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