Quote (Skinned @ Nov 2 2021 08:14pm)

I love that the people who committed the crimes are against the teaching of those crimes. It is like the people who were lynching people are ashamed of it or are trying to hide so deep in the closet they're with R Kelly.

It is like Francos followers after Franco died, they made it illegal to teach about the crimes they committed, now people in Spain have no idea what happened only that bad shit happened.

Imagine being so ashamed of your history that teaching it makes one upset.

Quote (thundercock @ Nov 2 2021 08:15pm)

This is an extremely long winded way of saying you want to whitewash history.

Quote (bogie160 @ Nov 2 2021 08:19pm)

I can't imagine you actually read it if that's your genuine takeaway.

Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 2 2021 09:05pm)

I don't see why, its redundant. Sincere moral convictions don't develop by being told what is right and wrong by authority figures. Teaching that slavery was wrong is just masturbatory self-flagellation when children are already inundated with social and political messages that slavery is wrong.
You can teach slavery and the wrongs of slavery without being a preacher giving a demonizing sermon. When the facts are laid out, most people don't struggle to come to their own abolitionist opinions.
Teaching history through a lens of 'ethics' or 'morals' is opening the door to a biased political lens of history that demands moral judgment of people who have been reduced to caricatures of themselves, stripping away facts and circumstance we find inconvenient and playing every wrong as one-sided.
The teaching of native american / white settler interactions is a prime example of this. If its taught through a dry lens of history divorced from moral judgment, a reasonable person would be able to identify that both whites and natives perpetrated atrocities against each other, yet that they both lived in peace at times, that they comingled and integrated at times, that they lived in isolation away from each other at times, that most of the worst deeds against their populations were perpetrated intraracially. You'd be able to learn that whites and natives were both in some respects regressive and barbaric, in others enlightened. In short, they were all subject to the human condition, just in different circumstance. But take all that nuance and complexity and feed it into the meat grinder of social justice and you're left with a pastiche of myopic narrative the depth of a disney cartoon.
And to that point- how many children leaving schools today have heard about the trail of tears or americans terrorizing natives, versus how many have heard of native-on-native battles and displacements? At first they weren't even teaching about the 1862 war in Minnesota schools, but now they want to revise history and teach it from the moral lens of claiming it was a crime against indians. It bubbled up with that gallows art display being publicly demolished by chainsaw wielding natives a few years back. A sort of holocaust revisionist lite spectacle
If the kraut apologists ever trend in vogue it will be nuremberg's gallows being burned in effigy for our terrible crime of the illegal and barbaric mass execution of german patriots

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 2 Nov 2021 21:35)

Quote (Goomshill @ 3 Nov 2021 02:56)

I dont think this election cycle has any predictive power at all for 12 months from now let alone Trump 2.0. Attention spans are too short and news cycles too fickle, a year before the 2020 election Covid wasnt a thing.

Quote (Goomshill @ 2 Nov 2021 21:56)

I dont think this election cycle has any predictive power at all for 12 months from now let alone Trump 2.0. Attention spans are too short and news cycles too fickle, a year before the 2020 election Covid wasnt a thing.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 2 2021 09:05pm)

Tonight's results point to the national environment being R-leaning right now. Biden and the Democrats will have to work hard to get out of this hole if they want to avoid a bloodbath in the midterms. Until tonight, the status quo seemed to be a continuation of the 2020 results. Now, our priors have to change. The status quo continuing will pretty surely lead to Dems losing Congress. Since there is no reason to assume that Dems improving their position from now on is more likely than them losing further ground, this is meaningful in a predictive sense. Lots of uncertainty does not contradict a shifting baseline.

I would say until recently, my baseline expectation for the midterms was R+ (2-3).
Now, I would adjust this number to R+ (4-5).

Quote (excellence @ Nov 2 2021 09:20pm)

oh agree 100%, just running under this platform the guy in VA did is quite efficient right now and could be for another year or so

Quote (Goomshill @ 2 Nov 2021 22:25)

I'd contrast it with climate change modelling. There's a huge uncertainty in climate models, giving wildly different ranges and predictions of phenomenon like extreme weather events and continental weather patterns. But they all generally agree its going to get warmer- not just an average, but for sure its getting warmer, just not always clear by how much. The conventional logic going into a midterm already dictated that republicans would have an advantage as the minority party, presidents almost always lose seats in congress, and maybe with this as a bellwether we can revise our estimate up by a degree or two in favor of republicans. But, and this is a big but, the uncertainty is a huge range here. We might look at an expected R+4/5 average, but from now to election day we could be in a 3rd covid wave, or joe biden could not wake up from one of those daytime naps, or any other curveball. It could be D+3, it could be R+10. We might see democrats gain seats in the senate and have a majority without needing Manchin/Simena's approval. We might see a landslide for Republicans
I don't think I'll be comfortable with predictions until 2 months out



yeah it definitely serves as a good example and a model other candidates will look to exploit, which could give them a boost in midterms.
If they can avoid being seen as qanon boogeymen and rino mccainites alike and tread that fine middle line of centrist populism while latching onto some winning social wedge issue, they can trounce democrats

But in fairness, not many other republicans will be running against a democrat who dresses up as a klansman