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#91
Aug 28 2021 11:56am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Aug 28 2021 10:40am)
When you have nothing just do the ol Gish Gallop. Spew as many unrelated points as possible to give the appearance that your opponent can't answer them.


the "gish galloop" an excuse mostly used by antitheists when they were completely dominated and out classed my the man they named it after
(Duane Tolbert Gish (February 17, 1921 – March 5, 2013) was an American biochemist and a prominent member of the creationist movement.)
In a debate setting where each person equal time. (unless its moderated by a fraud leftie then one side is gagged). Antitheists would
cry out "gish gallop" instead of answering the questions or admitting loss.
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#92
Aug 28 2021 12:16pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 28 Aug 2021 10:54)
And now a straw man because I never said any of that, except that the flu is less contagious than covid. That's just a hard fact.


Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 28 Aug 2021 09:35)
Fact is if you come in with flu or covid like symptoms you will still be tested for the flu. We never stopped testing and hospitalizations due to the flu are basically non-existant.


This is not factually correct. If a person comes in with a mild respiratory infection, they're seldom tested for the flu. It's not mandatory and quite frankly, unless the symptoms are severe (like life threatening), there's very little reason TO test for the flu. The flu, much like covid, has no "cure". All you can do is treat symptoms.

And you still have not even provided evidence that the flu is less contagious than covid. The fact is, you don't know how contagious it is. Because there has never been mass testing for the flu on the scale of what we've seen for covid. Instead, we've dealt with the flu the way any low death rate virus should be dealt with: Treat the symptoms.

Getting back to the real meat of the issue: There have been over a billion covid tests performed. Who makes the tests? Want to bet they're rolling in money right now? 5.18 Billion vaccine doses have been given. Who makes the vaccines? Want to bet they're rolling in money right now? Hospitals earn 20% more for any patient who tests positive for covid. Think the hospitals want the guy with the foot infection to test positive, or negative?

Now, tell me what good reason there is to test for the Flu. Tell me what good reason there is to promote the flu shots, or even spend a huge amount of time developing them?

And just a minor note: The flu has a lower incubation period, spreads faster, and is more prone to asymptomatic spread, where no conclusive evidence of asymptomatic spread even exists for covid. You make this case for the Flu "going away" yet the bottom line is, you don't know, and somehow seem quite invested in Covid being airborne ebola, when it's anything but. :)

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 28 Aug 2021 10:56)
seek help, stop harassing people with delirious ideas.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm

"Flu activity was unusually low throughout the 2020-2021 flu season both in the United States and globally"

Shocking. Please take care of yourself.


Indeed. Where did it go is the question? For a thousand years the world has been plagued by the flu. Complete quarantines, thousands of different vaccinations, every single thing has been tried to wipe out the flu, and every single measure has failed.

You're gullible indeed if you believe "masks and social distancing" wiped out 99% of the flu. That's just laughable.

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Aug 28 2021 01:09pm
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This is not factually correct. If a person comes in with a mild respiratory infection, they're seldom tested for the flu. It's not mandatory and quite frankly, unless the symptoms are severe (like life threatening), there's very little reason TO test for the flu. The flu, much like covid, has no "cure". All you can do is treat symptoms.

And you still have not even provided evidence that the flu is less contagious than covid. The fact is, you don't know how contagious it is. Because there has never been mass testing for the flu on the scale of what we've seen for covid. Instead, we've dealt with the flu the way any low death rate virus should be dealt with: Treat the symptoms.

Getting back to the real meat of the issue: There have been over a billion covid tests performed. Who makes the tests? Want to bet they're rolling in money right now? 5.18 Billion vaccine doses have been given. Who makes the vaccines? Want to bet they're rolling in money right now? Hospitals earn 20% more for any patient who tests positive for covid. Think the hospitals want the guy with the foot infection to test positive, or negative?

Now, tell me what good reason there is to test for the Flu. Tell me what good reason there is to promote the flu shots, or even spend a huge amount of time developing them?

And just a minor note: The flu has a lower incubation period, spreads faster, and is more prone to asymptomatic spread, where no conclusive evidence of asymptomatic spread even exists for covid. You make this case for the Flu "going away" yet the bottom line is, you don't know, and somehow seem quite invested in Covid being airborne ebola, when it's anything but. :)



Indeed. Where did it go is the question? For a thousand years the world has been plagued by the flu. Complete quarantines, thousands of different vaccinations, every single thing has been tried to wipe out the flu, and every single measure has failed.

You're gullible indeed if you believe "masks and social distancing" wiped out 99% of the flu. That's just laughable.



I had flut shot each year for 20 years & not one prevented an infection each year or collectively when I saw doctor. It's a scam to degrade humanity & always has been. Medical paradigm is full 4th Reich now.
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Aug 28 2021 03:40pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 28 2021 07:10pm)
Go back to the Anime subforum where you belong.


That would have been a somewhat witty jab, if I had ever even posted in the Anime subforum. :unsure:
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Aug 28 2021 03:58pm
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Indeed. Where did it go is the question? For a thousand years the world has been plagued by the flu. Complete quarantines, thousands of different vaccinations, every single thing has been tried to wipe out the flu, and every single measure has failed.

You're gullible indeed if you believe "masks and social distancing" wiped out 99% of the flu. That's just laughable.


Seems than bullshitting was your only option

- I never said "99%" i even posted the results for france: 5-10 times less cases of flu, but also others diseases like gastro enteritis.
- Masks & Social distancing are perfectly effective in reducing the amount of victims; along with vaccines.
- Protect a whole population, weak ones first, with vaccines and you have MUCH less deaths. Then later everyone have resistances and healthcare were not flooded.
- Flu and Covid are two different viruses, different spread rate, different lethality rate, different genetic (viruses type : corona virus vs influenza virus)
- Flu never "mysteriously disapeared", this is just uber stupid to say that.


Misinformation is a cancer we need to erradicate.
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#96
Aug 28 2021 05:10pm
The debate in this thread is even worse than the one in the vaccine thread. :rolleyes:

It might be interesting to have a study on how much of the reduction in the flu spread is due to distancing and not having crowds versus mask wearing versus school closures.
School children in fact are the main drivers of flu waves (but not of covid waves!), so school closures should contribute significantly toward nipping flu waves in the bud.
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Aug 28 2021 05:19pm
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The debate in this thread is even worse than the one in the vaccine thread. :rolleyes:

It might be interesting to have a study on how much of the reduction in the flu spread is due to distancing and not having crowds versus mask wearing versus school closures.
School children in fact are the main drivers of flu waves (but not of covid waves!), so school closures should contribute significantly toward nipping flu waves in the bud.


Well that was kind of the point, but we live in a binary world nowadays. You're either a conspiracy nut that believes this is all a ploy to stick 5g whatever nonsense or you believe everything the government says and don't even dare question things out of curiosity or for general discussion/debate.

I said it on one of the first pages I believe preventative measures played some role, I'm just skeptical to attribute that to the complete collapse of the flu virus. Most scientists aren't making that stretch of a call but thank god with we have a bunch of pard experts assuring me that's exactly what led to a 99% collapse in the flu rate.

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Aug 28 2021 05:59pm
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Well that was kind of the point, but we live in a binary world nowadays. You're either a conspiracy nut that believes this is all a ploy to stick 5g whatever nonsense or you believe everything the government says and don't even dare question things out of curiosity or for general discussion/debate.

I said it on one of the first pages I believe preventative measures played some role, I'm just skeptical to attribute that to the complete collapse of the flu virus. Most scientists aren't making that stretch of a call but thank god with we have a bunch of pard experts assuring me that's exactly what led to a 99% collapse in the flu rate.


You understand Thor's math, right? Any sort of exponential growth is going to be substantially less if the base is smaller. It's obviously a back of the hand calculation but the essence of it makes perfect sense. I don't think anyone is saying that it's the end all be all but it's definitely a substantial contributor.
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Aug 28 2021 06:02pm
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Well that was kind of the point, but we live in a binary world nowadays. You're either a conspiracy nut that believes this is all a ploy to stick 5g whatever nonsense or you believe everything the government says and don't even dare question things out of curiosity or for general discussion/debate.

I said it on one of the first pages I believe preventative measures played some role, I'm just skeptical to attribute that to the complete collapse of the flu virus. Most scientists aren't making that stretch of a call but thank god with we have a bunch of pard experts assuring me that's exactly what led to a 99% collapse in the flu rate.


According to various studies, the effective reproduction number of the seasonal flu ranges anywhere from between 1.1 and 2.0, with a median of I think 1.3. (For reference, see https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25186370/ )
So it really doesn't take a ton of intervention to get this below 1 and thus prevent the flu wave from taking off.




Let's illustrate this phenomenon with an example from your field of expertise, finance:

Viral transmissions functions like the compound interest effect. Say you have a starting investment of 100k and some insider info which allows you to make a whopping 30% profit every year. Then, your investment will be worth a breathtaking 1.37 million after just 10 years.
Now cut the annual return from 30% down to 8%, the mean annual return of the S&P 500. Then, your investment will sit at just 215k after the 10 years.

In this example, a 22% difference in the growth rate created a 640% difference in the quantity of interest after just 10 time intervals. The corresponding time interval when it comes to epidemiology is the so-called generation time of a virus, which for the case of the seasonal flu is around 3 days, so 10 time intervals correspond to one month in the case of the flu. Now go figure the difference cutting the growth rate from 30% to 8% would make after 2 months or 20 time intervals - it's a 40-fold or 97.5% reduction in the number of cases.

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