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Jun 8 2021 09:37pm
Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 9 2021 01:26pm)
While I will agree every job may not be the ideal distance some want, it doesn't mean the job doesn't exist or that one can't get it if they are willing to make some small sacrifices.

Take my step father for example - commuted (and still does) at least an hour to work every day and has done quite well for himself on his own merits throughout life.

Regarding inner cities - is it a true employee shortage by numbers? Or is it that they usually house a much higher volume of people and therefore, many more in total who are able but unwilling to work by default which makes it stand out more than say, the rural area you describe?


I grew up in baralaba, the nearest city to me was 4 hours away and still had few jobs.
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I’m not familiar with that if I’m being fair. Is that an area in America?

If not, I really think we’re just talking past each other at this point. I grew up in NY.

In my opinion, gotta live there rather than trust any media, so not educated enough to speak from a perspective anywhere but America and Capitalism for myself. Still doesn’t negate that things like socialism have ruined entire countries like Venezuela - media or not that one is apparent.

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I grew up in baralaba, the nearest city to me was 4 hours away and still had few jobs.


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Jun 8 2021 09:49pm
Quote (CyrusTheGreat @ Jun 9 2021 01:40pm)
I’m not familiar with that if I’m being fair. Is that an area in America?

If not, I really think we’re just talking past each other at this point. I grew up in NY.

In my opinion, gotta live there rather than trust any media, so not educated enough to speak from a perspective anywhere but America and Capitalism for myself. Still doesn’t negate that things like socialism have ruined entire countries like Venezuela - media or not that one is apparent.


Australia but think regional colorado, i have been all over the states.
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Jun 9 2021 05:45am
Employers need to learn how to pay employees, simple as that. Prior to COVID we had two decades of wage stagnation while cost of living rose. Labor is a resource goverened by supply and demand always.


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Jun 9 2021 05:52am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 8 2021 06:33pm)
Sounds like the teachers got their asses kicked and everything went back to normal. So the system worked?

France kicks our ass in pre college education and they have teachers strike all the time. So that's not really a convincing argument to me. At least I don't think it will be so bad that it outweighs the benefits, and if we had other teachers to step in and assume their cirriculum that means the damage would be even less.

There's certain places I think the public just shouldn't entertain unions. Like police. No negotiating with unions. Individual officers have the right to leave the job if they don't like it.


why would a striking teacher hand over their lesson planned curriculum?

Quote (Skinned @ Jun 8 2021 06:41pm)
Depends on district. Some make 35k, others 75k. 75k seems like high end here for a teacher which is well compensated imo. That's 25k a season you work, basically a 100k job.

There are a lot of those 35k and 45k jobs out there, which sucks for someone who went to college.


35k with a healthcare plan that costs up to 10k to fund privately. with retirement benefits the same, and 3 months a year off. plus massive holiday slots off. not a bad gig all in all.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 8 2021 07:19pm)
Tell your wife she is overpaid and post her reaction.


not overpaid, well compensated. and she agrees. if she went back for a masters she'd get even more, and she gets raises year over year. starting pay was underwhelming, now shes making like 5k more after being in the district a while.
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Quote (Greater @ Jun 8 2021 08:56pm)
There are enough jobs. I have salaries and hourly positions available in my company yet no qualified candidates. Most candidates are checking the box off for the unemployment claims

“I sought gainful employment”

It’s so bad that I brought in international candidates to fill roles because Americans are garbage and don’t want to work


Perhaps the garbage Americans think your pay, benefits, or culture blow at your firm? Many found out how hard doing an LLC was last year hahaha. Some international candidates are so desperate they sell their soul for a visa.

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Perhaps the garbage Americans think your pay, benefits, or culture blow at your firm? Many found out how hard doing an LLC was last year hahaha. Some international candidates are so desperate they sell their soul for a visa.


stupid foreigners, u can get a prepaid visa at like any gas station.
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Jun 9 2021 11:10am
Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 8 2021 11:49pm)
Australia but think regional colorado, i have been all over the states.


Understood - but, I would have to slightly push back and say visiting isn't the same as living permanently.

I don't know Australian law, but is it not allowed to move to a new location if you can't find opportunities where you are? You're keeping a roof over your head now it seems, so why wouldn't that be possible in a different location closer to better jobs?

Also - lastly, what are your true, honest beliefs? I don't think we've ever delved into that in any detail. It seems we can deduce you don't like Capitalism (as is your right of freedom of expression), but then it begs the question what you think is ideal in full (and a universal income isn't the answer - especially in America - we've seen the result even when we expand Welfare / Unemployment - add exponents now with an unlimited, never-ending cash flow earned or not)? The disabled also get a universal base income as well, which I agree with, as social safety nets have their place in such cases as these where someone is unable to work/contribute due to no fault of their own. Same with the retired.

I'll prob have to get back to you later when you respond so I am not ignoring ya - just gotta get back to work.
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Jun 9 2021 11:43am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 9 2021 06:52am)
why would a striking teacher hand over their lesson planned curriculum?


Ideally you would say that when a teacher begins the school year they have to submit their cirriculum for review by the other teachers, and that puts it in the hands of the school. You can develop your cirriculum and keep it your own personal property, until it starts getting presented to the students at which point the school has to have posession and partial ownership to vet it.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 9 2021 12:43pm)
Ideally you would say that when a teacher begins the school year they have to submit their cirriculum for review by the other teachers, and that puts it in the hands of the school. You can develop your cirriculum and keep it your own personal property, until it starts getting presented to the students at which point the school has to have posession and partial ownership to vet it.


the logistics of storage, let alone having other teachers review all of the material isnt feasible. additionally depending on the level your curriculum must remain elastic to meet the needs of that specific class.

the idea of scab teachers to replace strike teachers being bussed into a district by a competing union is honestly something i'd expect Cam to say lol. its honestly not at all realistic.

when teachers get into trouble and have curriculum reviews they're a massive issue and time consuming as hell, doing it to all teachers would require many more employees. and it brings in the issue of teachers not being able to cover common core standards already in a given year.
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