just shut your ignorant little mouth for once, ampoo.

there's no "but" in my support for israel's right to exist. if you want to talk about german taxpayer money in regards to those two factions, maybe you should be "concerned" about the billions in support of a right wing apartheid regime, and not the few millions that we support the UNWRA with, none of which used to "invest into rockets" btw. you're so hilariously misinformed and ignorant on this topic, it's mindblowing.

little history lesson: there were extended periods of relative peace and de-escalation, but israel kept encroaching on palestine land. the narrative that this conflict could end immediately if only palestinians unilaterally 'disarmed' is demonstrably false. historically, the only result of that is israel pushing their illegal settlements further and further into palestinian territory.

you're fearmongering about the RHETORIC of the imprisoned, while rooting for the jailors who are DE FACTO denying palestines existence. how moronic is that, lol?




so what you're saying is you expect palestine to just cede east jerusalem and all the illegally occupied territories in west bank? so basically fully reward all the aggressive settling and displacing policy that israel did for decades and that you pretended to oppose?

No. That’s not what I said.
Few massages ago I said it - they have to drop their claim to “the right to return” in understanding that they won’t be back to Jaffa and Akko. They need to recognise Israel as a legitimate state in the region. Then and only then we can sit down and draw a border.
They can have all Jerusalem for themselves if you ask me.. If that what’s gonna bring peace To the region and let me raise my newborn Without running to the shelter every 10 minutes.
Israel’s policy is a symmetric policy to the Palestinian’s, if you think about it.
Edit : Israel already proved that we can evacuate settlements if necessary..

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on May 14 2021 07:58am

all that said, all those human and international rights violations of israel's right wing government in gaza and west bank pointed out, there's one thing that i fear and obviously condemn: attacks (rhetorical or even physical) on jews in western countries as retaliation for israel's transgressions.
there is absolutely no justification for that, and whoever does that has clearly lost the moral high ground. anti-semitism is not even remotely an adequate response to israel's apartheid regime, it's a stupid and reactionary way of looking at things that doesn't belong in a modern and free society.

Israel only interested in genocide. Palestinians just want an end to the siege. They aren't even demanding the end of racial apartheid in Israel.

well, it is clear you're in disagreement with the israeli government (and their allies in the US) on that one then, because that's what the palestinian side proposed to the UN as late as 2014. jaffa and acre were not included in their proposal. it revolved around the 1967 (not '48) borders.

in short, israel's "general support" of palestine statehood is a largely empty promise - they rejected any reasonable solution and themselves insist on having many of their illegally occupied territories acknowledged.

it's not palestine's "right to return" rhetoric, not their unreasonable demands for any israeli cities or regions that have been in the way of the several halfway promising diplomatic approaches. pretending that's what made them fail is demonstrably wrong.

This post was edited by fender on May 14 2021 08:30am

I believe it is. Not only the Israelites rejected offers for peace.. a nation seeking for self determination compromises and establish a state. That’s not the case here. I believe that the “right to return” claim is the main reason why the conflict doesn’t end. You can think otherwise.. let’s agree to disagree.

/edit: it’s a conflict, mate. Not a debate. If they won’t hurry up and do something REALISTIC about their situation and keep siting and bitching about it they will be left with nothing. Regardless of who is right and what is just. You certainly won’t march into Israel to free them.. nor Skinned..



Palestinian population is one of the world’s fastest growing populations. We must be suck at genocide then lol

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on May 14 2021 09:00am

They fuckin lol

who is this ampoo again?

anyway, i wont shut my mouth and let trash like you spread propaganda unchecked

there is no apartheid regime, thats disgusting propaganda and clearly shows your ignorance about actual apartheid, period

israel is the only state with democracy and human rights in the entire region, period

you talking about me being misinformed is cute, when literally 1 minute of research about the UNWRA reveals that its corrupt scum working with hamas and spreading israel hatred

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilfswerk_der_Vereinten_Nationen_f%C3%BCr_Pal%C3%A4stina-Fl%C3%BCchtlinge_im_Nahen_Osten

here you go sweetheart

it's not a matter of opinion though, it's a matter of facts. just look at the actual proposal(s). yes the "right of return" rhetoric / movement is something that undeniably exists, and becomes particularly loud and popular in times of escalation and conflict, but it's also something that israel has always loved to point to in order to "justify" their rejection of objectively reasonable proposals - even when they did NOT include demands for areas that were basically ethnically cleansed in 1948.




just stop the cringy denial, everyone here already knows who you are, multi.

i love how you just ignored the billions of our taxpayer money that goes to an apartheid regime, and instead have to move the goalpost regarding the millions we contributed to the UNWRA from "funding rockets" to "criticising israel" - how dare they?

again, you fearmonger about the RHETORIC concerning israel's right to exist while simultaneously supporting the ILLEGAL OCCUPATION that is denying palestine's right to exist, and you don't even realise how moronic that is...

too bad your wiki "research" didn't include this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy

Facts.. Palestinian denying similar proposals are facts too.
Palestinian claim for the right to return is something that comes up in EVERY negotiation. And that’s a fact. You can check me on that.
That is one demand that Israel can’t agree to.