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May 2 2021 02:16pm
Quote (thundercock @ May 2 2021 02:26pm)
Yea, I'm sure that's worth chopping your dick off, fucking up your body, etc.



People for decades have been using steroids which shrink their balls to nothing, with side effects like developing man boobs to try and be competitive. Not sure why you think this is so outlandish.
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Quote (duffman316 @ May 2 2021 02:43pm)
Theres also a very misogynistic trend in politics and medicine of female erasure with removal of words referencing women and replacing them with more woke phrases. You won't find the groups of men behind these decisions also changing references to men to "people with penises" anytime soon.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-defends-removing-references-to-women-in-online-cervical-cancer-information-1.4357438


Not all women have cervixes. That's just more accurate, not something I consider to be erasure.

Honestly, this is just reflective of society as a whole. Men get all the attention because men have most positions of power. Male to Female gets more attention than the reverse, gay men get significantly more attention than gay women (actually gay male relationships were illegal more often than gay female relationships, so it cuts both ways), MtF athletes are the only ones being talked about, etc. etc
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May 2 2021 02:18pm
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It is important that we recognize mental illness for what it is so that we can get these people the help they need.

It would be a mistake to play along and pretend that self-evident biological truths don't apply. This is the epitome of snow-flake culture.


The "mental illness" and "help they need" is a dog whistle. An entire apparatus of healthcare has been established, based off of efficacy and evidence, that people of your position do not support. What you're really advocating for is pseudoscience that dominated the earliest of efforts in working with transgender people and that had horrendous outcomes.
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Quote (Handcuffs @ May 2 2021 04:13pm)
Is this thread not an example of this? Awful lot of men here having strong reaction and opinions of what ought or ought not happen with respect to women's sports.


yes good men have an issue with other men beating up on women and plaguing women's sports that are supposed to be for women
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May 2 2021 02:56pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ May 2 2021 04:18pm)
The "mental illness" and "help they need" is a dog whistle. An entire apparatus of healthcare has been established, based off of efficacy and evidence, that people of your position do not support. What you're really advocating for is pseudoscience that dominated the earliest of efforts in working with transgender people and that had horrendous outcomes.


I'm not sure who "my people" are. If someone really feels that genital reassignment is the appropriate response for their problem, then far be it for me to tell them otherwise. There should obviously be safeguards in place to make sure that people aren't making a horrendous mistake, as seems often to have been the case, but no one is questioning the legality of the underlying procedure. But the notion that we need to radically overhaul the entirety of the English language, discriminate against women, and tolerate other evils because a handful of individuals demand that everyone else in the world recalculate to their "reality" is both absurd and offensive.
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May 2 2021 03:27pm
Quote (bogie160 @ May 2 2021 01:56pm)
I'm not sure who "my people" are. If someone really feels that genital reassignment is the appropriate response for their problem, then far be it for me to tell them otherwise. There should obviously be safeguards in place to make sure that people aren't making a horrendous mistake, as seems often to have been the case, but no one is questioning the legality of the underlying procedure. But the notion that we need to radically overhaul the entirety of the English language, discriminate against women, and tolerate other evils because a handful of individuals demand that everyone else in the world recalculate to their "reality" is both absurd and offensive.


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Surgeries are but one, optional part of transition-related healthcare and mental health services. The help that you believe they need, in terms of what is the most efficacious, is much more holistic than that.

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yes good men have an issue with other men beating up on women and plaguing women's sports that are supposed to be for women


And you're well within your rights to think that.
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May 2 2021 04:02pm
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Not all women have cervixes. That's just more accurate, not something I consider to be erasure.

Honestly, this is just reflective of society as a whole. Men get all the attention because men have most positions of power. Male to Female gets more attention than the reverse, gay men get significantly more attention than gay women (actually gay male relationships were illegal more often than gay female relationships, so it cuts both ways), MtF athletes are the only ones being talked about, etc. etc


women wouldn't be calling it erasure if it wasn't so one sided and in favour of men who don't have to put up with this nonsense
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Quote (duffman316 @ May 2 2021 05:02pm)
women wouldn't be calling it erasure if it wasn't so one sided and in favour of men who don't have to put up with this nonsense


You can find people outraged about everything. It's not something I see as concerning right now.
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May 2 2021 05:55pm
When there is little conflict in a country the country resorts to creating conflict.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ May 2 2021 07:35am)
>The year is 2042
>The US is coming home with 130 gold medals from the Olympics
> 120 of them from women's sports
>100 of those won by MtF athletes
>Millions of biological young women across the globe give a sigh of exasperation because they know they have no chance to compete so they give up sports
> 65-year-old Skinned is telling his granddaughters this is what progress looks like


putin would probably order a strike before he lets men compete against women.
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