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Mar 5 2021 04:53pm
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Depending on the context, a kiss may or may not be sexual assault.

I was listening to some liberals describe how bad his accusations are, but the way they described it seemed like he just hadn't updated his 80's Italian mentality with the hugs and kisses and stuff on introduction.

So I'm kind of confused on what the big deal is? Like, that stuff is creepy but doesn't sound malicious or particularly harmful. More of a personal space issue that should have phased out on its own 10 or 20 years ago and now needs a series of HR meetings.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/nyregion/cuomo-harassment-anna-ruch.html

He made unmistakeable advances on one of the accusers and left no doubt about wanting to sleep with her. This stuff goes beyond just a cranky old man being a bit more touchy than is considered appropriate nowadays.
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Mar 5 2021 04:58pm
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it seems to be a lot of smoke to cover for his numerous mess ups in 2020.


Yeah, it's quite transparent what's going on. As soon as the story of him covering up nursing home deaths broke, the knives came out for him and it feels almost like a concerted effort to get him out of the public spotlight, so that his scandals do not tarnish the Democratic brand.
Seems like a classic case of "you have outlived your usefulness".
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"Listen to the experts" has to be the most tired and misleading slogan of the past 10 years, if not longer. Experts are not a monolithic block, they actually do not agree on even the general strategy (elimination vs suppression) nor on some of the most consequential detail questions (e.g. how much open schools actually contribute to the spread). Just because there is consensus that masks should be worn (a consensus which btw did not exist yet at the onset of the pandemic), people should socially distance and the vulnerable should be protected does not mean that there is a singular, unified "expert opinion" that hands politicians a manual on how to get through the pandemic in optimal fashion.

Also, the "listen to the experts" slogan conveniently ignores that most experts can only tell politicians the "optimal" approach from the narrow perspective of their own field, while politicians have to keep the bigger picture and a host of complex tradeoffs in mind. If you ask epidemiologists about the optimal approach, they will tell you how to keep infection numbers as low as possible, because that's what "optimal" means in their field. What they cannot provide to decision-makers is the approach which minimizes the combined long-term total damage from covid and its effects plus the countermeasures and their side effects. In fact, this is such a complex question that no single expert in the world can give a comprehensive answer.


We can all agree that Trump's strategy was far from optimal, but opinions will already diverge a lot when it comes to exactly how bad it was. On a scale from 0 (Tanzania) to 100 (Taiwan), I think everyone can agree that Trump is below 60. But was his performance a 10, a 20 or perhaps a 40?


He told people not to worry about coronavirus and that he heard the warm weather gets rid of it. Then he did fuck all and left it to the governors. I've never heard of someone getting 40% on a test they didn't bother getting out of bed for
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He told people not to worry about coronavirus and that he heard the warm weather gets rid of it. Then he did fuck all and left it to the governors. I've never heard of someone getting 40% on a test they didn't bother getting out of bed for


I personally would not give him more than a 25 (which in school would mean you fail the exam miserably), possibly lower. But some of his GOP supporters would surely give him a 40 or even higher.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Mar 2021 23:48)
"Listen to the experts" has to be the most tired and misleading slogan of the past 10 years, if not longer. Experts are not a monolithic block, they actually do not agree on even the general strategy (elimination vs suppression) nor on some of the most consequential detail questions (e.g. how much open schools contribute to the spread). Just because there is consensus that masks should be worn (a consensus which btw did not exist yet at the onset of the pandemic), people should socially distance and the vulnerable should be protected does not mean that there is a singular, unified "expert opinion" that hands politicians a manual on how to get through the pandemic in optimal fashion.

Also, the "listen to the experts" slogan conveniently ignores that most experts can only tell politicians the "optimal" approach from the narrow perspective of their own field, while politicians have to keep the bigger picture and a host of complex tradeoffs in mind. If you ask epidemiologists about the optimal approach, they will tell you how to keep infection numbers as low as possible, because that's what "optimal" means in their field. What they cannot provide to decision-makers is the approach which minimizes the combined long-term total damage from covid and its effects plus the countermeasures and their side effects. In fact, this is such a complex question that no single expert in the world can give a comprehensive answer.


We can all agree that Trump's strategy was far from optimal, but opinions will already diverge a lot when it comes to exactly how bad it was. On a scale from 0 (Tanzania) to 100 (Taiwan), I think everyone can agree that Trump is below 60. But was his performance a 10, a 20 or perhaps a 40?


what a load of dishonest bullcrap. predictably, you once again chose a narrative that downplays trumps failings. the idiotic talking point that "eXPeRtS ArE nO mONoLitHiC bLoCk" is NOT a good argument for defying virtually EVERY expert and scientist on common sense measures like masks and distancing. just because no single person could possibly have had THE golden solution that would have definitively minimised the total impact of covid, just because that indeed takes political considerations and a degree of personal judgement, trying to weigh different opinions against each other, does NOT mean that any approach is therefore equally justified.

you just can't do it, can you? you simply can't acknowledge that trump's decision to politicise the pandemic, undermine the scientists, and defy common sense measures was a deliberate move, motivated by (shitty) political calculations, and caused the preventable death of tens of thousands of innocent people. you have to create some kind of narrative that makes it suboptimal but forgivable, worthy of criticism but not damnation. that's pathetic.

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the idiotic talking point that "eXPeRtS ArE nO mONoLitHiC bLoCk" is NOT a good argument for defying virtually EVERY expert and scientist on common sense measures like masks and distancing. just because no single person could possibly have had THE golden solution that would have definitively minimised the total impact of covid, just because that indeed takes political considerations and a degree of personal judgement, trying to weigh different opinions against each other, does NOT mean that any approach is therefore equally justified.


... and thankfully, I did not claim any of that.

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you just can't do it, can you? you simply can't acknowledge that trump's decision to politicise the pandemic, undermine the scientists, and defy common sense measures was a deliberate move, motivated by (shitty) political calculations, and caused the preventable death of tens of thousands of innocent lives. you have to create some kind of narrative that makes it suboptimal but forgivable, worthy of criticism but not damnation. that's pathetic.

What are you rambling about? Trump's failure on covid is one of the major reasons I cooled off on him over the course of 2020 and do not want him to be the nominee again in 2024, let alone get back into the WH. Unlike you, I do not fall for black-and-white thinking though; I will not stop putting his work in the appropriate context, nor will I distance myself from Trump's stances on other issues where I think he was right, just because he failed (quite spectacularly) on this one.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Mar 2021 00:21)
... and thankfully, I did not claim any of that.


not explicitly, but the silly "eXPeRtS ArE nO mONoLitHiC bLoCk" was still your response to my point that trump completely defied them, which leaves not much space as to how to interpret it.

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What are you rambling about? Trump's failure on covid is one of the major reasons I cooled off on him over the course of 2020 and do not want him to be the nominee again in 2024, let alone get back into the WH. Unlike you, I do not fall for black-and-white thinking though; I will not stop putting his work in the appropriate context, nor will I distance myself from Trump's stances on other issues where I think he was right, just because he failed (quite spectacularly) on this one.


and still you can't help yourself making shitty excuses for his decisions, and still you can't acknowledge the fact that he caused the death of tens of thousands out of purely political calculations.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 5 2021 05:58pm)
Yeah, it's quite transparent what's going on. As soon as the story of him covering up nursing home deaths broke, the knives came out for him and it feels almost like a concerted effort to get him out of the public spotlight, so that his scandals do not tarnish the Democratic brand.
Seems like a classic case of "you have outlived your usefulness".


You're really reaching. You just don't get the Roy Moore circle the wagons for the predators on the Dem side like you do the Republican side.

They would prefer a conservative sounding pederast to someone who thinks everyone should be treated fairly. We will just get rid of you.

We aren't as afraid of meritocracy and less dependent on nepotism and good ole boy systems.

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Nobody cares what you think nutjob.


Your wife does

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Cruz is signing Dr Suess books and selling them now. He moves forward!
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