Y’all can argue abortion all you want but it isn’t going anywhere, and it’s a phenomenal tool.

I love how you can't engage without claiming I don't value life or constantly throwing out personal statements. It shows how fragile your position is.

i love how you focused on a side issue instead of my main point. it shows how invalid and unarguable your position is.

Pro-choice at any stage of gestation.

I've argued every issue you've presented, and you just kinda float between personal attributions and refusing to stay on one argument.

Unless you want to now tell me what the distinction between a hyatidiform mole and a person is without relying on it having future potential, because when you start talking about future potential you end up in the situation where every egg is a chicken and I know you won't stay on that topic very long either.


The real issue is that it's your OPINION that life at conception is equally valuable as a human life at any other stage, despite it not yet being a person or being conscious or even having a very good chance to make it to birth. And that's fine, but you need to stop pretending you were reasoned into it with good arguments. It's your opinion, and it's not something you reasoned yourself into and not something you're open to being reasoned out of.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 31 2021 03:00pm

Disgusting

To each their own.

i already told you the distinction, one is viable life, one is not viable life. youre right inasmuch as it gets somewhat into opinion where the line is drawn regarding what is considered life. but to me, it makes no sense to draw it at consciousness, as there are fully developed adults that are not conscious either. are they not considered life? can you just kill them? it makes much more sense to draw the line at fertilization/implantation. before that, a separate egg and sperm are potential life. once fertilized and implanted, that potential has been realized, and left alone, the normal course is for it to develop into a fetus and be born. yes, there are times where it does not, but that doesnt mean its not already its own distinct life. the same could be said for adults, usually they live to a ripe old age, but sometimes for genetic reasons or happenstance people die young. does that mean that its ok to kill people? just because some die anyway? i would hope the answer is clearly not. same goes for an embryo. just because sometimes miscarriages happen, that doesnt mean they arent life and can be terminated. the *normal* course is that once fertilized and implanted, a baby will be born. THAT IS A LIFE. consciousness is irrelevant.

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What do you mean by "viable life"? A mole is just as viable even if it doesn't turn into a "normal" human. It's got its own DNA, often its own organs, teeth, hair, etc. What's the separating factor that leads you to say one is "viable" and the other isn't?

Suppose the fetus would be born but live in pain and never live past 5 years old? Is that viable? I think you would say yes. So where is the line drawn where something is "viable"?

The answer you will inevitably dance around but won't admit is that one has a brain and develops consciousness and the other doesn't.