Yep and lets not forget that he's had an absolute blast slamming the political establishment for 4 years and caused the liberal woketards to weep rivers of tears. GG

Lol at armchair doctors claiming their shit baby cries are good science lololol

Your initial post was a comment asserting Trump supporters are science deniers. Post #7 on the first page.

I responded:


You responded "If you don’t have a medical degree, you don’t have grounds to argue with physicians on public health consensus" and its about as anti-science as it gets.
A degree and science should not be conflated.


I am arguing that shouting 'consensus' to shut down scientific debate is anti-science. I wasn't thinking about free speech there.



You likened people without a medical degree to flat earthers on multiple occasions.
People without a medical degree are not akin to flat earthers voicing a useless dumb opinion.
They can and do have legitimate positions and knowledge. They can be scientific actors in the world. They can and sometimes do have merit when questioning those with a degree or those appointed by government.

I have already mentioned the fact that multiple areas of expertise are relevant in the field of public health policy, like economics, and that government doctors can be extremely fallible and wrong. They were demonstrably wrong during this pandemic.
Masks bad and useless at first and then mandatory?
What does your degree say about the validity of mask mandates and if its ethical or not?
Does your degree make you an infallible expert on whether or not shut downs are a good idea and what its effects will be?
By your standard anyone without a medical degree has no grounds to question them when they are wrong. That is not pro-science.




Trump is still the president.

HCQ efficacy and potential uses was up in the air for awhile with different studies coming to different conclusions.
There was an international poll of doctors and it was voted the most effective treatment. There is your consensus that shouldn't be questioned, right?

I have no doubt Trump said some dumb shit and some inexact shit, but he mentioned it was promising and the media turned it into a partisan issue and mispresented and exaggerated what was claimed.

My position was never that Trump or Republicans are scientific experts. My position was that they are no less 'science deniers' than the democrats, who scream consensus and appeal to authority instead of thinking and advocating actual science.
You responded to that point by embracing the democrat anti-science position and dismissing people without a degree.
I rather rationally took issue with that, and that it what most of this back and forth has been about.


good to hear, kind of.

Biden probably throwing private party with his homie Barrack

Biden is probably taking a nap while his handlers debate when Kamala should take over.

I have admitted I am wrong on occasion.
Refusing to randomly admit I am wrong because you think I am wrong is not required.

Being upset I won't admit I am wrong is not good cause for making false claims and refusing to substantiate them.

Go ahead and try it. I am sure plenty of people here would be greatly amused one way or another.

I've literally never seen it. So if you have any examples I would love to know exactly what the circumstance was!

You are in opposition to the premise: People without medical degrees shouldn’t be making policy decisions, stating this is anti science, in your world who is making these decisions then? I will reiterate, people within field have conflicts all the time and it is that conflict that should trump (ha). This logic can and should be applied to every specific field whether it be electric cars, soy bean farming, nuclear energy, public health care. You allow top experts in each field and to have their debates, and the rest of people follow. I am not about to go argue with a soy bean farmer on how to improve his yields.

As I stated, hydroxychloroquine has been debunked since April. If you think otherwise you simply don’t know how to interpret effective data, which is precisely my point on why Standardization of policy is essential. I am happy you brought up some random physician poll. Just because you poll qualified individuals on their personal thoughts, does not validate their thoughts. Every qualified physician should/does know this, which is why we completed the recovery trial. Data matters. Data trumps. The average American does not recognize or even understand this difference

The public has little /no understanding of data interpretation and over relies on anecdotes. This is why trump excels(excelled) The media didn’t exaggerate his claims, he did it himself, months after failed treatments were debunked. Backtracking by saying there was a 3 week timeframe where we thought it would be helpful is nothing other than lazy.

You are reiterating this “consensus” notion. You are falsely equating government consensus with professional consensus. That Democrats are relying on this mysterious and conspiracy esque “consensus” to take away individual rights. It boggles my brain. Democratic talking points have consistently been in line with the medical community, the AMA does not have party affiliation. The New England journal of medicine does not have party affiliation. Scientific American does not have party affiliation. For the first time in American history these organizations supported a political party. It is time to stop playing victim and to look in the mirror. I stand by my statement that the average trump supporter is a science denier and even furthermore culpable to conspiracy theories. Certainly not all of them, which is why I said the average one

Excuse typos , phone

Edit:
Also I strongly disagree with the part I bolded in your post. There is a clear distinction at this moment in time

This post was edited by Bazi on Nov 7 2020 02:53pm

Orange Man Sad.



Look at those tear lines. I hope someone collected those salty drops in a Biden mug.

This is not my point or what was said. I reiterated what was said and meant at length.



This is one of my points. Thank you for your support.

My position was not the average American who is uneducated on a topic should dictate policy or is knowledgeable, but rather that certain people can and do have important input and knowledge on certain topics, even if they don't have a medical degree.


Bold is demonstrably false with abundant video evidence. The media are partisan hacks without credibility. They regularly exaggerate and misrepresent to demonize and mock those not on the left/establishment.

I agree the masses have little to no understanding.


I don't believe that is what I said at all.
I explicitly stated that wasn't what I was saying.


Bold is false.
Again, democrats choosing to be pretend the science is on their side while shutting down debate is not being pro-science.

The editors of a magazine choosing to abuse their position and endorse a candidate under the guise of science does not dictate who is right or mean science is on their side.
Nor does it mean they are not partisans or that democrats do not have very anti-science positions and mantras.

TDS and social pressure is real. I have not denied that.
'Trump bad and some scientists don't like him' does not mean the democrats aren't just as anti-science if not more.

This is another appeal to authority instead of addressing the points.