How is a business signing a contract with a union not consent?

No they aren't. Those events are very popular with a lot of Americans and they support those acts, which gives them legitimacy. Unions don't do that. If the public didn't support them they wouldn't survive like they have.

Look, I'm not going to keep repeating the same argument we've had ad nauseum.



I don't think I'm reading you correctly here. What you're saying (or what I'm hearing) is that cops killing citizens is popular with Americans and is a legitimate expression of policing.

We haven't had this conversation in a long time, and last time we actually had it you ended up acknowledging the social contract.

See Blue Lives Matter, Thin Blue Line, Punisher Skulls, ARs on cops.

They have the support of that community every time, no matter the circumstance.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 1 2020 10:32am

That was an acknowledgement of the way things as they currently are, not a discussion of ideal theoretical outcomes.



Standing up for cops does not mean people just stand up for the shit cops do. There was universal revulsion at George Floyd's fate, but once the riots started, the cop defenders turned off from sympathy.

It very much wasn't, because workers striking is something explicitly allowed in our social contract.

Regardless, you haven't shown me any good reason why workers shouldn't be able to negotiate an exclusivity clause in either a practical or theoretical way.

Turning off the sympathy was due to riots, not police unions.

Having to pay non union Subcontractors vs Unions ones.
Unions not only get paid more but they are usually more educated on not only their craft but also things like safety etc.

This would be par for the right wing mind set. Make all those things go away so the guy with the money has to pay less money to the working Joe.
There are times when their wages make it hard for them to receive lower budgeted contracts. But I think that's also ok, as a lot of those unions don't want those type of jobs and the union hall can release them from wage constraints if asked.. OFC the hall still gets its share.
TBH I think leave it as is.

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Nov 1 2020 11:01am

What kind of window licking nonsense is this? Are you sniffing glue? Huffing bug spray?

Public sector jobs are paid for by the tax payers. Currently these public sector jobs pay 10K ABOVE the median income that private sector jobs do AND guarantee better benefits. Further, they guarantee tenure. And should the tax payers who pay their income refuse pay increases they themselves are not receiving, then the teachers unions, police unions, etc. will simply withhold services and strike. Yet when they strike, they still get paid. So the tax payer is held between a rock and a hard place, by public servants who are behaving as their masters.

The worst part? The fact that you even think a state-based education system is better than a private education system. The top rated schools on the planet are all private Universities. The top rated high schools and down are also private and charter schools. Private schools have to compete and provide a proper education, or they go out of business. A public school only has to exist and suck up endless amounts of cash.

That you even bring up the police, when you want to defund them, is laughable. Your lack of self-awareness and consistency is pure gold.