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Sep 27 2020 09:02pm
Quote (SBD @ Sep 28 2020 12:54pm)
You think that the people lending billions of dollars don't do any due diligence and that they just take what he scribbles down on paper as the value to be taken seriously?

Again ill ask you, what does this article offer.

Annual audited financial statements are submitted with the tax return. Those are the same audited financial statements that any lender would be asking for.


Never heard of cristopher skase or alan bond?
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You think that the people lending billions of dollars don't do any due diligence and that they just take what he scribbles down on paper as the value to be taken seriously?

Again ill ask you, what does this article offer.

Annual audited financial statements are submitted with the tax return. Those are the same audited financial statements that any lender would be asking for.


Of course it's possible he misrepresented his financials(a crime) and the bank didn't catch it.

I've already said I'm not going to hand-hold the "nothing matters" crowd through the relevant issues. Black brought some up and I added another one to the discussion.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Sep 27 2020 09:02pm)
Never heard of cristopher skase or alan bond?


Sure, there's individuals that commit fraud.
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Of course it's possible he misrepresented his financials(a crime) and the bank didn't catch it.

I've already said I'm not going to hand-hold the "nothing matters" crowd through the relevant issues. Black brought some up and I added another one to the discussion.


Neither did the auditor than. The bank gets the financial statements directly from the auditor, not via the company.
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Sep 27 2020 09:18pm
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Worth pondering how Trump has represented the values of his businesses in order to get loans vs. when it comes time to pay Uncle Sam. There's already been articles discussing this of course. That's where you might fall into criminality.


True, but from what I understand, Trump and the IRS have been engaged in a legal battle over this exact point, a court batle which has been going on for over a decade. I assume that the IRS would have happily torn Trump a new one if there had been clear proof for any crimes, for fraud or illegal accounting practices. The fact that they didnt to me indicates that no such strong proof for accounting fraud or other related crimes exists.

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True, but from what I understand, Trump and the IRS have been engaged in a legal battle over this exact point, a court batle which has been going on for over a decade. I assume that the IRS would have happily torn Trump a new one if there there had been clear proof for any crimes, for fraud or illegal accounting practices. The fact that they didnt to me indicates that no such strong proof for accounting fraud or other related crimes exists.


The fact that they have been fighting him for 10 years also says something..
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The fact that they have been fighting him for 10 years also says something..


There probably was shady but minor stuff going on. Did anyone seriously expect the Trump Organization's books to be squeaky clean?

The fact that they have, so far, been unable to nail him suggests that any hypothetical accounting crimes were either minor or super elaborate and devious.
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Quote (IceMage @ Sep 27 2020 10:47pm)
Yeah... nothing you posted that everyone doesn't already know.

It's really interesting that you guys can't even conceive of any reasons why this article might point to problems with Trump or our system. I'm not sure if it's playing stupid or just stupid.



Don’t move the goal posts to ‘our system’.

I’m asking you specifically highlight what In the article is so scandalous that Trump did.
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Sep 27 2020 09:25pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 27 Sep 2020 22:47)
If trump has 10 straight years of losses why is his net worth rising?

value of assets go up and you dont have to sell? cmon dont play dumb you’re smarter than this

and err what? if anything his net worth went down a couple years after the 2016 election
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 27 2020 09:22pm)
There probably was shady but minor stuff going on. Did anyone seriously expect the Trump Organization's books to be squeaky clean?

The fact that they have, so far, been unable to nail him suggests that any hypothetical accounting crimes were either minor or super elaborate and devious.


Our Canadian tax courts take years, its not uncommon to be servicing a client that's still in discovery three years later.

Iv never served any with a dispute over 7 years however. That being said, I also have never served a client that size. Potentially more common among, you look at most financial statements, theres about 6 pages of contingent liabilities, i wouldn't be surprised if many were tax related, i just don't read them all anymore unless the audit report directly says theres a going concern issue.

This post was edited by SBD on Sep 27 2020 09:30pm
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