Shapes of districts aren't necessarily indicative of gerrymandering. The "earmuff" district is often hailed as very well done district since it connects similarly interested communities.

Yes, Democrats gerrymander, but as with virtually all things today, Democrats do it some, Republicans do it everywhere in a brazenly corrupt fashion. Maybe in 20 years it will be Democrats being brazenly corrupt, but today it's Republicans.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 4 2020 12:08pm

agreed.. I just don't know WHY gerrymandering needs to be in place at all.. I don't agree with either side on WHY it has to exist.
count the fucking votes and move on.

Give me a break. They did it in deep blue California. I know because I’ve consulted on several campaigns where two Democrats were smashed into the same district and had to run against each other.

Are you not seeing the disconnect here?

Fine, but there is simply no excuse for that abomination of a district that I just posted. Like... what the actual fuck is that thing?



Cant get any more brazen than Maryland's map. I dont know enough about the details to tell if Republicans are really worse than Democrats on balance, but "ok, I'll admit that both sides are corrupt scumbags, but the other side is far worse than mine" is really not a very potent argument.

cities grow and country populations shrink. you can't leave a voting line in place forever any more than a school district line can stay the same forever. it is of course abused, but still has a legitimate purpose.

It's only a "disconnect" if you have a very simplistic understanding of districting. Disconnecting similarly interested peoples are also a way to gerrymander, so "it packs interested groups therefore gerrymandered" isn't an argument that holds any water.

How is that possible in California where all redistricting should be controlled by Democrats?

So you're admitting shape isn't necessarily indicative, then going back to the shape being indicative. I don't really think you understand what "fine" means.

Both sides are corrupt, but one side is far more corrupt, is a statement of fact, not really an argument. It's been super obvious for about 10 years now, but in recent years it's become so glaringly obvious that I can't take seriously anybody who doesn't acknowledge it. I'll repeat this again, Trump is literally the most corrupt president that anybody alive today has seen, and it isn't even close. He alone is probably more corrupt than all the presidents my grandparents have seen put together, and this is not hyperbolic in the least. His interference at the DOJ to help Flynn and his other cronies alone is likely the single most corrupt act in the history of the U.S.



California is not all Democrat lol. Northern California might as well be Alabama.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 4 2020 12:22pm

We passed a law. We have a nonpartisan redistricting commission.

I personally think an AI should be drawing the lines, not humans. Even humans on bipartisan commissions.