who is “them”. no one care about your argument, stick to conspiracy theory copypasta

Is the GOP really calling for no accountability from the police? Perhaps I'm ignorant or biased here...

More generally, I think that we really have to distinguish between support for cracking down on violent unrest and looting, and support for unjustified police violence.
On the substance, the correct position to take here is a hardline stance against both violence and racist abuse by the police, and against protesters who commit crimes.

You're probably right though that the president's influence is limited to the tone. And yes, Trump is unlikely to be the one to strike the right tone.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 25 2020 11:34am

Remind me how the 80s/90s crime wave and race riots were ended. Was it appeasement? Is that how Rudy Giuliani made his name, or was it getting motorboated by Trump in drag. You don't end the riots by neutering the police and electing soft-on-crime politicians. Having a democrat in the oval office didnt end BLM, it created them.

When the suburbs are threatened, folks dont look to John Thompson as their answer, they start to appreciate Bob Kroll. Theres a very simple recipe to end crime and lawlessness. And the folks who torch black businesses and loot TVs from Target aren't in it because Trump is president, they're in it because an opportunity was given to them by democrats.

What's wrong, dont like sunlight?

What a bizarre view of things. BLM came about due to neglect at all levels of government when it comes to accountability. This neglect has festered for decades and you see reaction come in waves. That obviously doesn't excuse rioters/looting opportunists and the people who do are fringe.

Thankfully, we've been making meaningful reform for years but there's still a shit ton of work to do.

If you start implementing the long-term Solutions 3 years ago you never get to the point where people start rioting. This is climate change all over again, you have to start making the hard decisions now because in 20 years if you didn't make the hard decisions and invest the dividends you have to make drastic and risky decisions

I would say the trend has actually been the opposite. Accountability and generally less racism in policing has been a trend for quite a while now. No it's not perfect, yes there's still cops that make mistakes or are racist but if we look at rates over time we were definitely trending towards the positive.

What really changed during the last 4-5 years in my opinion, is the framing of this discussion though. It's political opportunism fueled by media that's a conduit for those narratives being pushed. News outlets created national level week long stories about some black guy being shot. The narratives are constantly that he's the victim irregardless of some of the extenuating circumstances, for example Mike Brown manhandling the brown store owner and charging the cop. If the media was honest in the framing and not trying to push a politically advantageous spin i think vast majority of blacks would agree that robbing someone and then trying to fight a cop and getting killed is a natural and justified consequence, doesn't matter the race. Instead the narrative is gentle giant gunned down by racist cop and racist system in place protects the cop, which is utter bullshit.

The statistics dont bear that out. Unjustified police shootings are such a rarity that the BLM protesters still have to pad their complaints with the likes of Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. When cops have actually murdered someone, they're far more likely to be held accountable, to be arrested and stand trial and be convicted- than the average black man killing another black man. Most of which to unsolved and unaccounted for. With bodycams, liberal police chiefs in every major city pushing reforms, diversity training, etc, we've wound up in an era where white people are more likely to get shot in an encounter with police to a degree vastly disproportionate to violent crime rates. And yet black racial grievance against the police is the narrative, along by debunked agitprop.
Not to mention the full picture of the criminal justice system, where liberal DAs have created utterly insane revolving doors where black offenders walk free after their 87th or 113th arrest and get away with laundry lists of felonies unchecked. Pretty much every mugshot featured on the mplscrimewatch list is someone on their 20th+ crime now.

All those reforms, all those progressive policies, they didn't sate the mobs. The mob saw Frey order the police to stand down and let the 3rd precinct burn, and the mob responded by looting every store and burning them down too. They simply followed the path of least resistance

Police violence or racism is not an issue that is getting worse over time, and neither are protests against it. Unlike with global warming, this is not a situation that is inherently getting out of hand more and more, or that has the potential to be self-reinforcing.

Like others have pointed out, the media and the hyperpartisan political environment is fanning the flames. After the unrest during the late 60s, it took almost a quarter century before the situation got out of hand on a large scale again with Rodney King, and then it took another quarter century, until Michael Brown, before it became a huge issue again. Having a black dude and then the most divisive politician in a lifetime in the Oval Office certainly also played a role and helps explain why the protests lingered and sporadically break out again since 2014.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 25 2020 12:26pm

You're confusing "were not rioting" with the problem going away. The problem has been a constant, the response has been cyclical.

The issue, by staying the same, is getting worse because our expectations are getting higher, as they should. If your stocks are performing at 0% you're losing money

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Aug 25 2020 12:28pm