no my more general point was that people like to frame ignorance along their bias. obviously tho there's a lot more ignorance involved in mixing up Obamacare than there is in polling in favor of socialist policies. but my guess is many people would poll differently if the pricetag and/or specifics were laid out. one polling bias I can think of would be free college being favorable without people realizing this doesn't include student loan forgiveness, and that only young people would be eligible. because that's probably how it would shake out. when I hear free college the first thing I think of is it would be nice for them to erase my loan debt, but we all know that's so unreasonable and expensive it will never happen. the simple fact is that many people are pro healthcare as a public function, but if forced to vote on specifics like instant implementation, higher taxes (paired with no pay raise enforced by law), worse care, or longer wait times they'd likely balk. but its true, none of these are as clear of ignorance as mixing up the ACA and Obamacare.

I literally woke up my sleeping wife laughing at this. its a masterpiece. the No Malarkey campaign can not be stopped. what would even stop it? Malarkey?

It's not just that Pence is a really solid debater - he's still someone who makes Trump-wary Republicans sleep better at night, he's still an important figure for "values voters", and it's still a fact that Trump would have a hard time finding anyone in the senator/governor tier who'd be more slavishly loyal to him and more willing to put up with his bullshit than Pence. Also, Pence has strong ties to the Koch network, so that certainly doesnt hurt with fundraising. Aaaand to end the list: Pence is intensely hated by almost all liberals, so that the prospect of a Pence-presidency acts as a real deterrent to any Democratic attempts at impeaching Trump. With a VP Rubio or Graham, Trump's chances of getting impeached would imho go up by at least 5-10%.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 4 2020 09:36pm

lol, the second part of that is outright idiotic. considering how weak the position of ANY vice president assuming office after a successful impeachment would be, it's virtually irrelevant who that person is.
impeachment is a highly political process, and the people currently in charge of deciding to pursue it aren't even the 'liberals' who hate pence so profusely, but pence's fellow corporate puppets from the slightly less terrible side of the coin.
this is truly amazing. let me guess: unlike some of your other posts, that are quite obviously just slightly rephrased talking points you read on a different, conservative online forum, this is something that you tried to 'analyse' yourself, correct? it's fucking hilarious.

speaking of which:



that one is pure comedy gold, holy shit.

You said erase loan debt *ears perk up*

I love Corn Pop story.

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 4 2020 10:50pm

" Everyone to the right of Comrade Bernie is a corporate puppet and must be purged! "

About your actual point: I think you're putting too much stock into how things played out with Nixon/Ford. With Nixon, there was a smoking gun, which led to broad, bipartisan support for his removal from office both in Congress and among the public. If such a situation repeated itself with Trump, I'd agree that Pence would turn into a lame duck. But that's not the only way impeachment could go.



The way I see a successful Trump impeachment play out is that the accusations peel off ten-ish percentage points from the Republican electorate, while the other 35-40% stick with Trump. In this situation, the party establishment knows that they will get crushed up and down the ballot if they stick with Trump, so they have to get rid of him, but that they also want to avoid publicly turning on him because he still has too much support from the base.

So in this situation, they would pressure him behind the scenes. McConnell would lead a large delegation of Senate Republicans into the WH and tell him that he has two choices: step down and get a pardon from Pence, or get impeached, lose his immunity and spend the rest of his days in prison. The outcome, from the view of the public, would be that Trump steps down without there being a smoking gun and with his approval among the GOP base still in the 70s or so. I dont think Pence would be an awfully weak president in this scenario. Him pardoning Trump might even boost his popularity with the shocked GOP base. (While Ford's pardon of Nixon hurt his approval ratings across the board.)






rofl, cool story bro. I come up with almost all of my analyses myself. sure, I might occasionally be influenced by articles I read on sites like nytimes, WaPo or national review, but not to the point I'm just parroting.

Do you guys want the creepy old orange racist moron who can't form full sentences or the creepy old orange racist moron who can't form full sentences for president?

Those debates are gonna be such a shit show

Lmao. Lots of good Biden content going around lately.