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Mar 3 2020 09:24pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 4 Mar 2020 04:17)
that bolded part doesn't discount anything I said after.

as to the false dichotomy, im literally just describing the two candidates. there's nothing false about it, and as there are 2 it is a dichotomy.

as to the beholden to the lobbys. either your potus is and/or the legislature is. best case u have a free potus with a tied legislature, worst case its both. but they're both also beholden to the voters. and they have morals even if they're damaged. its a balance that I want.


how about you crack the puzzle no sanders voter can. why should I vote for someone, even assuming they can beat trump, that cant get anything past the legislature? ill wait.


biden voters are people who keep sending money to nigerian princes, and still expecting to see any of it back, probably even profit.
bernie voters are people who want to show america that even if the ruling caste of politicians might prevent his ideas from being fully implemented, the desire is there, and people are sick of being promised little, and receiving nothing. they are showing that meaningful change actually has political support.
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Mar 3 2020 09:26pm
Biden doing a speech right now. He introduces his wife and sister but mixes them up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Mar 3 2020 09:29pm
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biden voters are people who keep sending money to nigerian princes, and still expecting to see any of it back, probably even profit.
bernie voters are people who want to show america that even if the ruling caste of politicians might prevent his ideas from being fully implemented, the desire is there, and people are sick of being promised little, and receiving nothing. they are showing that meaningful change actually has political support.


finally someone will show the rich people that poor people want free college, insurance, food, housing, and emotional support animals. they've been in the dark too long.
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Mar 3 2020 09:30pm
Quote (Helloween7 @ Mar 3 2020 07:26pm)
Biden doing a speech right now. He introduces his wife and sister but mixes them up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Apparently a couple lactose intolerant people tried to assassinate Biden just now.
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Mar 3 2020 09:31pm
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Biden doing a speech right now. He introduces his wife and sister but mixes them up :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


forgetting the position he's running for, the state he's in, who's standing next to him, the question he was asked, his stance on a particular issue... is just a daily occurrence for him at this point. even the incoherently rambling madman trump will have a field day with him...
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Mar 3 2020 09:34pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 3 2020 09:30pm)
Apparently a couple lactose intolerant people tried to assassinate Biden just now.



LET DAIRY DIE
LET DAIRY DIE
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Mar 3 2020 09:35pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 3 2020 10:31pm)
forgetting the position he's running for, the state he's in, who's standing next to him, the question he was asked, his stance on a particular issue... is just a daily occurrence for him at this point. even the incoherently rambling madman trump will have a field day with him...


Even if that's the case, the fact of the matter is that even though Bernie's progressive ideas do resonate with the democratic electorate americans still do not believe he's the right messenger for the message.
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Mar 3 2020 09:37pm
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Even if that's the case, the fact of the matter is that even though Bernie's progressive ideas do resonate with the democratic electorate americans still do not believe he's the right messenger for the message.


whoa, crazy. why would the American people not trust a candidate who had to be asked point blank 12 times in a row "will you raise taxes on the middle class" only to get "your healthcare costs will go down" even after being told "just yes or no plz". LOL
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Mar 3 2020 09:48pm
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finally someone will show the rich people that poor people want free college, insurance, food, housing, and emotional support animals. they've been in the dark too long.


at this point you're just deliberately misinterpreting what i'm saying, because you don't WANT to get the point.

this is about demonstrating the parties and a new generation of politicians that there is support for a new way, that you can win (even against massive and coordinated opposition from literally everyone in power: the party, the media, and the corporations behind both of them) majorities even without the backing of those donors that oppose any significant change - IF you represent the will of the people, which is quite literally the only way there is even a tiny chance you could ever improve your system - something you pretend to be in favour of and allegedly only ignore for 'practical' reasons...

that said, i can't help but notice how you automatically resort to textbook conservative and establishment framing like 'poor people just want everything for free', in order to characterise things like universal healthcare and affordable education - which, again, are things that are perfectly normal in every one of america's peer countries. it's so revealing of your way of thinking, and how effective that kind of propaganda, trying to shame social programs as 'handouts' for 'lesser' people, is...
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Mar 3 2020 09:51pm
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at this point you're just deliberately misinterpreting what i'm saying, because you don't WANT to get the point.

this is about demonstrating the parties and a new generation of politicians that there is support for a new way, that you can win (even against massive and coordinated opposition from literally everyone in power: the party, the media, and the corporations behind both of them) majorities even without the backing of those donors that oppose any significant change - IF you represent the will of the people, which is quite literally the only way there is even a tiny chance you could ever improve your system - something you pretend to be in favour of and allegedly only ignore for 'practical' reasons...

that said, i can't help but notice how you automatically resort to textbook conservative and establishment framing like 'poor people just want everything for free', in order to characterise things like universal healthcare and affordable education - which, again, are things that are perfectly normal in every one of america's peer countries. it's so revealing of your way of thinking, and how effective that kind of propaganda, trying to shame social programs as 'handouts' for 'lesser' people, is...


Bernie can signal change is wanted, Biden can actually make it happen. perfect combo. thanks for the help Bern.

as to you taking yet another clearly joking post so seriously that you try to psycho analyze propaganda's affect on me. lol. I suppose gauging propaganda effectiveness just comes natural to you.
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