We can apply your criticism to any medical procedure on children. The arguments don't even come close to NAMBLA.

Children are subjected to medical procedures that have proven medical efficacy through biological mechanisms of action and known risks. When a wealth of medical science is behind a procedure and a clear necessity exists, the 'informed consent' of the child is usually disregarded and not an issue. Children are given treatments at the behest of their parents, even if they are little shits who tell the doctor "I don't wanna" and throw a tantrum. Because they have neither the faculty to understand nor decision making capability to assent to the procedures, it is done on their behalf by guardians and society. What is not allowed, is subjecting children to radical and unproven medical procedures with high destructive risks and unknown efficacy. Surgeries, therapies and drugs alike, humans are not allowed to be used as guinea pigs, much less children.



It is literally their sex. Interfering in sexual biological development is something children can't consent to just like they can't consent to sexual activity.
And the degrees of drugs and surgeries are more destructive than abuse by pedophiles. Slicing someone's dick in half and fanning it out is far more irreparable than the psychological impacts of child rape. Having your muscles, voice and bone density underdeveloped and penis shriveled up from hormones blocking puberty is far more irreparable than having a dirty old man fondle you. Such radical and destructive interventions need to have a real wealth of both proven necessity and proven effectiveness and lack of side effects to be considered ethical treatments, and right now the coffers for that knowledge are filled with venezuelan bolivars from sociologists with an agenda

Handcuffs has provided numerous links over the past year or two of research showing there is significant benefit to these kinds of therapies, that these therapies are used as a last resort, and that these therapies are prescribed by medical professionals that are familiar with the risks and benefits of these procedures.

And we don't do that to children. Holy shit can you get anymore dishonest?

e/ Also puberty blockers are fully reversible
ee/ also also - yes we do use humans, even children, to test whether medication works. It's called a human trial and it is done all the time.
eee/ also also also - We have done these trials with puberty blockers. Kids are 'being experimented on' as much as anyone is being experimented on with a decade old treatment
eeee/ also also also also - You're a fucking liar.

This post was edited by MxVivianWulf on Feb 27 2020 07:34pm

You just affirm their mental illness and set them on the course to the chopping. But hey its not when they're 10 so no big deal.

Being trans is a disorder of sexual development not a 'mental illness'.

They want to do it to children and that's where this conversation will be in 10 years. This isn't a slippery slope, its an avalanche.
You can pretend that surgically altering genitals on children is totally unthinkable and we'd never do that because they can't consent~, but the fact is you're arguing in favor of using drugs to alter their genital development.



No, they aren't.
If someone goes on puberty blockers from age 10 to age 20, you can't give them the option to regain all the lost bone density, height, vocal cords, muscles, genital skin and function and size and body hair growth that comes from puberty.
Puberty isn't any more 'fully reversible' than an abortion. At least women can get pregnant more than once, boys you turn into social experiments only go through puberty once.



Is that really the road you think leads anywhere in your argument? Are you aware of the massive barriers of medical ethics to reach human trials and necessity to show proven biological methods of action before you start experimenting on people? The risks and ethical limitations of human trials that pretty much universally prevent any risky testing on children?

1) It's speculation. We'll follow the evidence wherever it leads. Long term wellbeing of people is the measurement by which we decide these things. I ain't pretending shit. It's not current best practice and won't be for a long time. Pointless to talk about right now.

2) Yes they are because guess what happens if puberty stops being blocked by puberty blockers. They go through puberty dingus.

3) Yea and do you think we'd be giving any drugs to children on a large scale in the UK or US without those trials having been done? Kids need drugs sometimes. Unless you'd prefer we never give any medical treatment to children because 'They can't consent'.

4) You're still a fucking liar.

This post was edited by MxVivianWulf on Feb 27 2020 08:08pm

I'm bi

Good for you buddy.