Quote (Skinned @ Jul 29 2019 08:52pm)

Twisted worldview that the US prison system is problematic :bonk:

Why are you posting the most basic definitions for real? Nobody is misunderstanding anything. Plea bargaining is a massive problem in the United States.

Step one: Post basic definitions I guess. So now we have defined jail, prison, plea bargain.

Step two: I'll say why I think plea bargaining sucks etc:

https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1843&context=mulr



It goes on to show how plea bargaining weakens deterrence of criminal sentences to people who commit crimes, it tends to exhort guilty pleas, and it is advantageous for the defendant and prevents judges from hearing the details of the crimes or give those who are victims of crime their day in court.

https://connectusfund.org/15-serious-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-plea-bargaining

Advantages are procedural and the disadvantages is that it makes innocent people do sentences and pay fines:



For my twisted value system, saving bureaucrats time and helping ensure a smooth work day is less important than honoring the Constitution and not coercing innocent people into paying fines or doing sentences that are unnecessary. It is abhorrent to wish people to be in cages.


https://abovethelaw.com/2018/11/plea-bargaining-a-necessary-evil/

Even in this article, with argues for plea bargaining as a necessary evil, it has this to say, which everybody who has studied this problem knows:





When it comes to rights of the individual vs rights of the state I am very libertarian which might seem like a twisted worldview to some people. You have to murder someone to be held until trial without bail, and you only wait if you're poor. I suppose in the case if plea bargaining, where the state coerces you into surrendering rights explicit in the constitution to open the cage... there is no other case where individuals can surrender other explicit rights for legal advantage....its kind of bullshit. You cannot sell your rights except in this instance.

You value procedure and I value human life. I just see this as a values difference.

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 29 2019 08:52pm)

Twisted worldview that the US prison system is problematic :bonk:

Why are you posting the most basic definitions for real? Nobody is misunderstanding anything. Plea bargaining is a massive problem in the United States.

Step one: Post basic definitions I guess. So now we have defined jail, prison, plea bargain.

Step two: I'll say why I think plea bargaining sucks etc:

https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1843&context=mulr



It goes on to show how plea bargaining weakens deterrence of criminal sentences to people who commit crimes, it tends to exhort guilty pleas, and it is advantageous for the defendant and prevents judges from hearing the details of the crimes or give those who are victims of crime their day in court.

https://connectusfund.org/15-serious-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-plea-bargaining

Advantages are procedural and the disadvantages is that it makes innocent people do sentences and pay fines:



For my twisted value system, saving bureaucrats time and helping ensure a smooth work day is less important than honoring the Constitution and not coercing innocent people into paying fines or doing sentences that are unnecessary. It is abhorrent to wish people to be in cages.


https://abovethelaw.com/2018/11/plea-bargaining-a-necessary-evil/

Even in this article, with argues for plea bargaining as a necessary evil, it has this to say, which everybody who has studied this problem knows:





When it comes to rights of the individual vs rights of the state I am very libertarian which might seem like a twisted worldview to some people. You have to murder someone to be held until trial without bail, and you only wait if you're poor. I suppose in the case if plea bargaining, where the state coerces you into surrendering rights explicit in the constitution to open the cage... there is no other case where individuals can surrender other explicit rights for legal advantage....its kind of bullshit. You cannot sell your rights except in this instance.

You value procedure and I value human life. I just see this as a values difference.

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Investigators who searched the Nevada home of the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooter found the makings of a massive attack, including a gas mask, bulletproof vest and empty boxes of ammunition, along with reading material on white supremacy and radical Islam, federal law enforcement sources said Tuesday.

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hn Bennett, FBI special agent in charge, said they had not determined the ideology of the Gilroy shooter and had recovered “conflicting literature” during searches in Nevada and Gilroy.

Authorities are bringing in two profilers to help build a picture of the gunman.

Among the “information we are collecting, there is conflicting literature ... everything from left to right.” So, Bennett said, investigators do not feel they can “put this person in a box. I wouldn’t say it was extreme views. It is writings and books that we have found through some of the search warrants. ... We are trying to go through all the literature and make sense of it.”

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Search of Gilroy gunman’s home finds items suggesting massive attack, white supremacy materials

Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 31 2019 07:49pm)

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Investigators-find-items-in-Nevada-apartment-of-14268336.php?psid=fsMwO



https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-07-31/gilroy-shooting-motive-santino-william-legan



They found conflicting literature from left to right and both white supremacist and radical islamic materials in the shooter's home, and at this time haven't characterized his motive and don't know if it was ideological at all.
But even though the article itself says they found islamic materials, the headline for the SF Chronicle is magically:

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 30 2019 07:01am)

Millennials have had more support than any other generation before, they are very lucky individuals. Like Generation X their families require both parents to work, unlike generation X they had a whole infrastructure of extracirriculars, after school programs, day care, baby on board stickers on cars, etc. When boomers started having the millenials people started saying stupid things like children are the future lol. That is why millenials are pretty great overall, great to collaborate with on a team, etc. Now that they're adults and the boomers are dying I'm becoming more optimistic.

19 years old is still a child in terms of mental development. The completion of the growth and development of the frontal lobe is very important...at 25 people are able to fully grasp consequence.

People are going to be looking for motives to make sense of it all but even if there was an explicit political or ideological motive it's still a kid doing something very evil and irrational.

Quote (CarsV @ Jul 31 2019 11:28pm)

I recall reading a study recently that stated that most humans don't reach brain maturity until about age 30. Then again, it's a Men's health article lol. - https://www.menshealth.com/health/a26868313/when-does-your-brain-fully-mature/

You seem to have some sort of hatred for boomers. I'm thinking it's something you picked up from your father. People are often products of their parentage or at least take a chip off the ol' block, hence why racism is so hard to weed out.

When it comes to young Millennials and Zoomers, though, it's all about the echo chamber. These kids have grown up and developed in literal comfort and echo chambers. Social media, the internet, they have provided tools for a cacophony of misinformation and propaganda. It's almost penguin-like. They don't understand the concept of "no" or a differing opinion. It's all about group-think. And that's what frightens me about them. They'll gladly take away your opinion if it doesn't jive with theirs.

Think about it. In today's age, if you want to find hate, just go on the internet. 4chan, 8chan, reddit if you want to get riled up and get full of hate, the internet is there. Previous generations didn't have this "luxury". Previous generations didn't have this "luxury". If you want to spiral down into a soup of hatred though, it's there.

Quote (Skinned @ Jul 29 2019 08:52pm)

Twisted worldview that the US prison system is problematic :bonk:

Why are you posting the most basic definitions for real? Nobody is misunderstanding anything. Plea bargaining is a massive problem in the United States.

Step one: Post basic definitions I guess. So now we have defined jail, prison, plea bargain.

Step two: I'll say why I think plea bargaining sucks etc:

https://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1843&context=mulr



It goes on to show how plea bargaining weakens deterrence of criminal sentences to people who commit crimes, it tends to exhort guilty pleas, and it is advantageous for the defendant and prevents judges from hearing the details of the crimes or give those who are victims of crime their day in court.

https://connectusfund.org/15-serious-advantages-and-disadvantages-of-plea-bargaining

Advantages are procedural and the disadvantages is that it makes innocent people do sentences and pay fines:



For my twisted value system, saving bureaucrats time and helping ensure a smooth work day is less important than honoring the Constitution and not coercing innocent people into paying fines or doing sentences that are unnecessary. It is abhorrent to wish people to be in cages.


https://abovethelaw.com/2018/11/plea-bargaining-a-necessary-evil/

Even in this article, with argues for plea bargaining as a necessary evil, it has this to say, which everybody who has studied this problem knows:





When it comes to rights of the individual vs rights of the state I am very libertarian which might seem like a twisted worldview to some people. You have to murder someone to be held until trial without bail, and you only wait if you're poor. I suppose in the case if plea bargaining, where the state coerces you into surrendering rights explicit in the constitution to open the cage... there is no other case where individuals can surrender other explicit rights for legal advantage....its kind of bullshit. You cannot sell your rights except in this instance.

You value procedure and I value human life. I just see this as a values difference.

Quote (Skinned @ Aug 2 2019 03:36pm)

Bump for KrackProphet to tell me why plea bargaining is good.