Quote (cambovenzi @ 17 Sep 2017 03:18)

what is? Your statement below? lmao.



the stagnant real wages talking point is misleading and not entirely true(benefits, increase in product quality, not recognizing the increasing compensation for individuals by lumping in new immigrants and looking at averages) and doesn't prove exploitation.
nor is that the totality of what is meant by the cries of exploitation, which is a theory that predates modern wage trends.

Nor would it be reasonable to expect wages to match increases in productivity in a world where people invest in machinery that makes workers more productive.
Thats a daft fauxcahontas talking point.
The big incentive for businesses investing in the new/improved tech is more profit.
There has also been large increases in the cost of doing business and the cost of hiring people that go far beyond hourly wages. regulations have exploded. lo and behold..hourly wages are held down.

Deluding yourself into thinking I was saying 'actually stealing money from the workers' was the argument is pure nonsense..
Portraying this misrepresentation of your own as you deigning to point out something so 'obvious' and beneath you was an extra layer of smug ignorance.


Yes there are some unsavory figures and bad policies that negatively effect people. Yes there are cases of actual exploitation in the world.
Those specific people and policies are to blame, not "the 10%" or the 1% or all employers, nor does it make them all evil exploiters that aren't enriching the masses/employees.

Quote (fender @ Sep 16 2017 10:56pm)

the only "daft fauxcahontas talking point" is you pretending that i demanded the real wage to MATCH the increase in productivity - at no point did i say or even suggest that.

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you know there's plenty of middle ground between stagnation and exactly matching the development in productivity, right?

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and guess what, regulations and machinery existed before the mid 70s and so did 'bad apples' - so that's hardly enough to explain the ever growing gap away...

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but hey, at least you're embarrassed (based on your extremely defensive reply riddled with ad hominems), i give you credit for that...

Quote (cambovenzi @ 17 Sep 2017 04:08)

Elizabeth warren said you demanded real wages match the increase in productivity? Fascinating.

Or perhaps I explained why that stagnant wage talking point doesnt have much merit as it relates to proving ~10% exploitation, after you brought that up as the supposed true representation of exploitation theory.
Mind blown.jpg


Yes.
We are somewhere in that middle ground in reality, as I was saying.


This isn't news to me and doesnt refute anything I said.
Regulations have undeniable increased in recent decades, increasing the cost of doing business and holding down hourly wages.



More delusions.

How dare I defend my post from ignorant attacks with my logic and facts!!! so uncalled for! its an admittance of embarrassment!!
Shameful reply by someone whose smug post was trashed by inconvenient facts and reality.

Quote (fender @ Sep 17 2017 03:19am)

when you have to pretend that elizabeth warren speaks for me in order to justify your misrepresentation of my point... pathetic...

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and no, we're NOT somewhere in that middle ground.

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your flimsy excuses that you have to retract every time i point out how ridiculous they are, and numbers you apparently pulled out of your ass do not explain the ever increasing gap between real wage and productivity.

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the only delusion here is that you seem to think your uninformed angry rants are able to distract from the fact that you obviously have no clue and just arrogantly try to defend your initial narrative against all facts and reason...

Quote (cambovenzi @ 17 Sep 2017 08:31)

You are not understanding a reference and then getting triggered and saying im 'pretending warren' speaks for you. A+


evidence says otherwise.


Me blowing apart your cocky asinine posts is actually me retracting what i am saying? are you completely insane?

I mentioned a number of factors that do in fact effect wages, total compensation and its relation to productivity gains.
If you would like further evidence and some reading assignments, just ask. dont run your mouth like a douche and say i pulled them from my ass when its just a matter of you being wildly ignorant on the topic and getting hostile that anyone would dare disagree, as always.


Thats a great description of your posts here. You get angry and call people names and cant back up your ignorant assertions when people contest them.

Rather than accepting or responding to my extended point by point reply to your whining objections, you take personal shots at me and pretend i'm the one without a clue. Completely absurd twilight zone stuff.
Its pathetic behavior, unfit for mature intellectual discussion. Do you need to sit in timeout?

Quote (fender @ Sep 17 2017 03:45am)

your immature deflections and projections, your angry ad hominems can't hide the simple fact that you can't explain away the constantly increasing gap between real wages and productivity.
that's what it comes down to if you leave all the butthurt out of it.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 17 Sep 2017 08:59)

I explicitly mentioned several reasons for the gap and mitigating factors that make it misleading, challenged the relevance of the gap to what was being discussed(10% "exploitation"), challenged the idea that marxist exploitation theory(or saying 10% or employers are exploiters) rests on the modern wage trend talking point, challenged your incorrect accusations of "misrepresentation", etc etc.

Somehow these are 'immature deflections' and secretly means I am not able to explain it..
If you dont know what the hell I am talking about, how about politely asking for clarification or citations instead of this shameful display? Has that thought ever crossed your mind?

Quote (fender @ Sep 17 2017 04:31am)

i don't know what "libertarian" internet platform you stole your opinions on economics from, but please amuse me and show me who actually claims that these factors, that i already identified as insufficient to explain the ever increasing gap, are responsible - and not increasing exploitation of the working class. i wonder if that also explains the growing economic inequality...

just these damn regulations and machinery i guess?

Quote (EndlessSky @ 17 Sep 2017 00:32)

If you feel exploited then leave. I'm living extremely comfortably and so do most sane Americans.

Immigration costs us money and it should stop.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 17 Sep 2017 00:53)

Tired of this marxist exploitation theory nonsense.
"The rich are not making you poorer, they are paying your salary" -Ben Shapiro

Some disclaimers and exceptions apply of course.

Quote (Ghot @ 17 Sep 2017 00:56)

We went through this in the DACA topic...and proved that illegal immigration cost us mucho dollars. Same with the Dreamers.