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Dresden



LOL


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Or the myriad uses of white Phosphorus.

Or Abu Ghraib.

Or the entire Iraq war in the first place.



LMAO

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LOL


You are so far outside the standard of human decency right now.

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Wars are fought by countries. Not just armies. Armies can't survive without the backing of the people.
Europe doesn't like the way the US does things...fine call the pres. and tell him fuk off. I'm sure Russia would love for that to happen. Not to mention the zillions of muslim refugees/immigrants/invaders.

As for Nam, we were invited by the South. We fought with the South, sometimes even doing things they requested.
I'm a vet, 61 years old. I';ve seen some the things done to people know/knew in that war. I'd avoid that topic.



I don't care how old you are or what country you're from or where you've been.

We're not talking about immigration or the refugeecrisis.

The USA has been involved in war crimes. This is a fact.

I am not denying that pretty much every European country has been involved in warcrimes and/or genocide at some point in time. That would be stupid. I'm from Belgium. The shit we did in Congo/Rwanda was terrible beyond words.

The same as it would be stupid to say that My Lai (or indeed Dresden) was not a warcrime.

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LOL
LMAO


Really?

This post was edited by BrendanSchaub on Mar 6 2018 05:21am
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You are so far outside the standard of human decency right now.


Yeah, it was bad for the US and UK to bomb Dresden. We should have just let Germany win. I mean even a bullet is indecent.
I think I'll stick with reality, and leave the fantasy- war-discussion to the ...er...experts.

Or maybe I should let you talk to my family members, who were in every war since WW1. Or maybe you need to talk to the Brits who lived for years with any metal fencing they could find, over their beds...every night.

You guys crack me up sometimes. War isn't a video game folks.


/e As for War Crimes, we've been "convicted" of none that I know of.

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I don't think you really wanna go the war crimes route my friend.
...because I don't really wanna go back through European history and make that statement seem really silly.
Why don't we leave war crime accusations to the Hague.


Farting out about "freedom" like no tomorrow BUT "please shut up, you arent an american" ...... ^_^

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Farting out about "freedom" like no tomorrow BUT "please shut up, you arent an american" ...... ^_^




Like you would know. :lol:
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Yeah, it was bad for the US and UK to bomb Dresden. We should have just let Germany win. I mean even a bullet is indecent.
I think I'll stick with reality, and leave the fantasy- war-discussion to the ...er...experts.

Or maybe I should let you talk to my family members, who were in every war since WW1. Or maybe you need to talk to the Brits who lived for years with any metal fencing they could find, over their beds...every night.

You guys crack me up sometimes. War isn't a video game folks.

/e As for War Crimes, we've been "convicted" of none that I know of


Over 20000 civilians died in the bombing of Dresden. They died in a literal firestorm.

You seem to be the one that thinks it's all comparable to a video game. Seriously, man, you come across as pretty callous.

edit: again, the USA does not participate in the ICC.

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Over 20000 civilians died in the bombing of Dresden. They died in a literal firestorm.

You seem to be the one that thinks it's all comparable to a video game. Seriously, man, you come across as pretty callous.


I suspect he's the kind of guy who sees the Comedian and Rorschach as the good guys in Watchmen.
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Over 20000 civilians died in the bombing of Dresden. They died in a literal firestorm.

You seem to be the one that thinks it's all comparable to a video game. Seriously, man, you come across as pretty callous.


Wonder how many civilians died in England?

I may come across as callous, but I'm really not. I don't like war at all, but I'm realistic enough to understand that war IS hell.

All these arguments, and not one proof that the US was ever "convicted" of a war crime.


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I suspect he's the kind of guy who sees the Comedian and Rorschach as the good guys in Watchmen.


Only watched it once. Didn't really like it and it's obviously fantasy. The actors who played the Comedian and Rorschach, were excellent.
I'm sure there are real life people like the Comedian and Rorschach, but they aren't my heroes.

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Wonder how many civilians died in England?

I may come across as callous, but I'm really not. I don't like war at all, but I'm realistic enough to understand that war IS hell.

All these arguments, and not one proof that the US was ever "convicted" of a war crime.


Nobody is denying Germany commited war crimes. Are you seriously suggesting any of us is arguing this? Just because Germany did heinous shit does not mean that all (edit) action against them is morally justified. Dresden was not morally justified.


For the third time, the USA does not participate in the ICC. So obviously it has never been convicted.

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I suspect he's the kind of guy who sees the Comedian and Rorschach as the good guys in Watchmen.


I think I'm going to assume he's trolling.

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