Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 02:33pm)

...I was there and I don't recall beating a child with a switch until he bled as being acceptable .

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Mar 20 2016 02:57pm)

Yeah, see, if you realized that the 'ideals' you're stroking yourself to weren't actually inborn human traits, you might start understanding where you're going wrong.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 04:38pm)

was adrian petersons father ever arrested on child abuse charges? How about his father's father?

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 20 2016 04:38pm)

There are healthy and unhealthy lifestyles. We understandably criticize smoking, we should understandably criticize overeating. I'm not sure overt shaming helps, but we clearly need to discourage behavior that significantly increases mortality. Acting like everything is ok is not the solution.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 20 2016 02:40pm)

...are you trying to make the accusation that black men physically abuse their children over many generations ?

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 04:42pm)

http://i.imgur.com/1ieVFRh.gif

are you saying white men didn't?

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 20 Mar 2016 20:44)

...I am saying that disciplining any child so that it draws blood , by any person in any era , is wrong .

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 20 2016 11:29pm)

Its a sign of our PC culture that as little as spanking can now be labeled child abuse when the only lasting 'harm' is character building..

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CONCLUSIONS: Harsh physical punishment in the absence of child maltreatment is associated with mood disorders, anxiety disorders, substance abuse/dependence, and personality disorders in a general population sample. These findings inform the ongoing debate around the use of physical punishment and provide evidence that harsh physical punishment independent of child maltreatment is related to mental disorders.

Quote (Scaly @ Mar 20 2016 04:51pm)

But beating them without drawing blood is just fine?

Quote (Bazi @ Mar 20 2016 02:33pm)

Yeah I mean i certainly don't think shaming is the correct route. Most of the time they aren't clueless, they know it's unhealthy to maintain their current lifestyles. iirc (open to discussion about it) negative reinforcement has demonstrated minimal longterm success as a motivational factor for lifestyle modification. Positive motivation has higher success rates. Giving someone a reason to be healthy... their kids, parents, a spouse, and even pets can go a long way.

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The results of this study indicate that while negative reinforcement in the context of behavioral modifications provide an statistically significant increase at initial points of pattern change, this effect is lost after behavioral tp1. After this point this type of behavioral modification results in no significant increase in pattern change and often will result in regression of modification to that prior to behavioral tp1.