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Aug 1 2015 12:05pm
Quote (Scaly @ 1 Aug 2015 12:56)
I get that. My point still stands. If they weren't inspired to be accurate then how can you know what is accurate?



You do understand what the central theme of the Bible is don't you?
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Aug 1 2015 12:07pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 1 Aug 2015 13:04)
...no , it does not because you have been distracted by the trees , always majoring in the minor leagues . The Gospel writers agree that Jesus was killed , that he was entombed and that He rose from the dead , the very essence of our salvation , the most powerful example of Gods' love for us , but you can't see it because you're distracted by meaningless minutiae . It's almost as if Satan does not want you to see the glory .


But it's not meaningless minutiae. There are legit differences between the gospels on the resurrection story. Who was there? Was the tomb open or closed? What did Jesus say? Just a couple of them.

And this is the Bible's most important story. You'd figure there would be less differences between the gospels on this story. You see them as meaningless minutiae, we see them as legit differences that make us question the accuracy of the scripture.
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Aug 1 2015 12:10pm
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But it's not meaningless minutiae. There are legit differences between the gospels on the resurrection story. Who was there? Was the tomb open or closed? What did Jesus say? Just a couple of them.

And this is the Bible's most important story. You'd figure there would be less differences between the gospels on this story. You see them as meaningless minutiae, we see them as legit differences that make us question the accuracy of the scripture.


...yes , it is . I know you went to a reasonable amount of effort to recycle a very old attack on the veracity of the Bible but there is one important factor you haven't considered , that being - Scripture is not for non-believers . You are wasting your time and any effort you have put into this .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 1 Aug 2015 13:10)
...yes , it is . I know you went to a reasonable amount of effort to recycle a very old attack on the veracity of the Bible but there is one important factor you haven't considered , that being - Scripture is not for non-believers . You are wasting your time and any effort you have put into this .


Scripture is not for non-believers.

What? How is anyone supposed to convert to Christianity?

Is a person who is interested in Christianity not supposed to read the Bible because it is not for them?
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Aug 1 2015 12:15pm
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But it's not meaningless minutiae. There are legit differences between the gospels on the resurrection story. Who was there? Was the tomb open or closed? What did Jesus say? Just a couple of them.

And this is the Bible's most important story. You'd figure there would be less differences between the gospels on this story. You see them as meaningless minutiae, we see them as legit differences that make us question the accuracy of the scripture.



Why is it hard to believe that while remembering the most important event to happen In the eyes of the followers of Christ. That some of the little details may be remembered differently? You want them to have had photographic memory of events when miracles are happening all around them. They remember the splendor of the event.
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Why is it hard to believe that while remembering the most important event to happen In the eyes of the followers of Christ. That some of the little details may be remembered differently? You want them to have had photographic memory of events when miracles are happening all around them. They remember the splendor of the event.


But see, your playing it off as details being remembered differently. These aren't just small details, man.

Who was there? What did Jesus say? Was the tomb open or closed? Was there an earthquake or not? Was Jesus' side pierced or not? Was there an Angel or not?

Like, I could understand small differences. But an earthquake happening or not happening or an angel being present? Those are some pretty big and important details.
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Aug 1 2015 12:19pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ 1 Aug 2015 13:14)
Scripture is not for non-believers.

What? How is anyone supposed to convert to Christianity?

Is a person who is interested in Christianity not supposed to read the Bible because it is not for them?



If you approach Christ with a doubter's heart you will fail, try opening your heart and believing.
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 1 Aug 2015 18:04)
...no , it does not because you have been distracted by the trees , always majoring in the minor leagues . The Gospel writers agree that Jesus was killed , that he was entombed and that He rose from the dead , the very essence of our salvation , the most powerful example of Gods' love for us , but you can't see it because you're distracted by meaningless minutiae . It's almost as if Satan does not want you to see the glory .


Well obviously they do. That's what happens when a book is compiled with the intention of creating a particular story from many other stories. The accounts left out of the new testament tell different stories. Jesus' resurrection in the heavens and not on earth for example. The major details will always be in line with the overarcing story because anything that contradicted the 'earthly resurrection' and 'grace through faith' accounts was stricken from the finished product. That's why the little things matter. Because in the little things we can see that individuals accounts of the big things are not consistent with eachother.

The book was put together with the aim of telling this specific story and any accounts that didn't tell this story were stricken from the record. That's why we have the apocrypha and gnostic gospels. But even with so much care and attention putting these accounts together to tell that story there are still inconsistencies.
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Aug 1 2015 12:29pm
Quote (ThatAlex @ 1 Aug 2015 13:18)
But see, your playing it off as details being remembered differently. These aren't just small details, man.

Who was there? What did Jesus say? Was the tomb open or closed? Was there an earthquake or not? Was Jesus' side pierced or not? Was there an Angel or not?

Like, I could understand small differences. But an earthquake happening or not happening or an angel being present? Those are some pretty big and important details.



You still aren't getting it. What you think is important isn't really what is important.

None of the authors of the gospels were there at the tomb first, they were told what happened, open/closed doesn't matter earthquake doesn't matter.. the tomb was empty!! That's Important

Forget the last three words..and study all of the words that came before those three
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Scripture is not for non-believers.

What? How is anyone supposed to convert to Christianity?

Is a person who is interested in Christianity not supposed to read the Bible because it is not for them?


...it's a simple fact . Holy Scripture was not compiled for you but for the church . We are saved by grace through faith and not from reading the Bible .
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