I disagree. Muslims have been killing each other and oppressing others long before western powers came around. Hell, look at the Sunnis and Shia Labeoufs. They're so at each others' throats they blow up each others' mosques and blockade any formation of a unified state. Gonna pin that on western powers, too? I'll concede that dumbass western nations bombing and removing leaders like Saddam, Gaddafi, or Assad is stupid. We act like we can just inject democracy into these parts of the world and everything will be hunky dory. But, that's only a drop in the bucket.



Perhaps I'm too hard on Islam and its followers. My hatred for the religion is sort of personal. But, I still disagree that the west is the cause of its problems. Look around, look at what's happening in the Middle East right now. Nobody's stopping the nations of that region from collectively forming an alliance and stamping out the ISIS threat. But they're not doing it. Instead they're all standing around with their thumbs up their asses, waiting for the good ol' US of A to sacrifice its sons and daughters. People act like the current tension between Iraq and Iran is something new. Hello, these fuckers went to war not so long in the past, and Iran almost lost.

It's easy to be hip and blame "the west' for all the crap that's happening in the Middle East.



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This deal is a step in the right direction toward avoiding another war in the Middle East. We have to at least try diplomacy first.

And if we do decide to go to war again in the Middle East, let's at least get resolution from the UN first (I'm looking at you, W).

by islamic terrorism i mean the modern incarnation of what is essentially a violent jihad against the west
and you're right that they've been fighting amongst themselves for a long time - which is why you should keep in mind that most of the victims of islamic terrorism are muslims themselves and it only becomes news to us when non muslims are hurt

to clarify the previous point, the west isn't responsible for all the problems in the islamic world, much of that came about on it's own due to divisions within the religion
but the west is responsible for the problems they are experiencing themselves with radical islam due to meddling in middle eastern affairs - palestinian children dancing on the street in celebration of 911 on the day that it happened says a lot about the reputation the usa has earned for itself within the islamic world

with reference to its age and size what i mean is that there is no getting rid of it (not that i'd advocate such a thing even if it were possible), just have to let islam run its course and do what we can to keep it's most violent elements suppressed

this problem of islamic terrorism will stay with us for decades to come and we can only hope for a greater shift towards secularism in these countries that currently function as breeding grounds for terrorist activity - would it not be awesome to have more turkey's in place of iran's, iraq's and saudi arabia's ?

plz tell me that was an autocorrect. that would be the best autocorrect ever.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 22 2015 12:33pm

I don't understand how anyone can agree to a deal where we walk away with nothing and they walk away with nukes. We aren't even allowed to be a part of the inspections. It's really jaw dropping

I watched the movie Fury recently and for some reason, while I was typing that, the actor and his glorious mustache popped up in my head.

This is very true. I can post video after video of muslim-on-muslim violence 'till fatigue sets in. But, when a terrorist attacks strikes western society, Tunisia, for example, suddenly it's a living room concern. At the same time, however, muslims don't seem to show as much outcry for muslim-on-muslim violence as they do for non-muslim-on-muslim violence.

What can I say? I'm a melancholy man and sometimes the world absolutely fucking bemuses me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEx1C9O7lVk

It wont make it past the senate floor.

The only time The Bible changed was when Jesus Christ died for our sins.

The Catholic Church doesn't follow The Bible.