Quote (CPK001 @ Oct 13 2014 05:14am)

Yes it does.



It is the role of the father to lay down his life for his wife and kids. That may not always be a literal thing either. If it is the kids fault that something bad happened and the kid should get punished for it, the father can take the bullet and take the blame instead. Better the father than the kid.

Ofcourse there is a whole lot more to it than just that which I have no experience with myself. Sometimes I get anxious as to why it has taken so long with me.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 13 Oct 2014 14:47)

...it's simply a statement of fact . I am certainly pleased that I am familiar with Scripture but I don't consider it false pride . I'm trying to get the guy to actually discuss something instead of boring me with citation collages that in actuality say nothing . My impression from what he posts is that he probably doesn't understand Scripture on anything but the most superficial level .

I am a Protestant and the doctrine of original sin belongs to the Catholics .

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Martin Luther (1483–1546) asserted that humans inherit Adamic guilt and are in a state of sin from the moment of conception. The second article in Lutheranism's Augsburg Confession presents its doctrine of original sin in summary form:

    It is also taught among us that since the fall of Adam all men who are born according to the course of nature are conceived and born in sin. That is, all men are full of evil lust and inclinations from their mothers' wombs and are unable by nature to have true fear of God and true faith in God. Moreover, this inborn sickness and hereditary sin is truly sin and condemns to the eternal wrath of God all those who are not born again through Baptism and the Holy Spirit. Rejected in this connection are the Pelagians and others who deny that original sin is sin, for they hold that natural man is made righteous by his own powers, thus disparaging the sufferings and merit of Christ.[52]

Luther, however, also agreed with the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception (that Mary was conceived free from original sin) by saying:

    [Mary] is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin. God's grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. God is with her, meaning that all she did or left undone is divine and the action of God in her. Moreover, God guarded and protected her from all that might be hurtful to her.[53]

Protestant Reformer John Calvin (1509–1564) developed a systematic theology of Augustinian Protestantism by interpretation of Augustine of Hippo's notion of original sin. Calvin believed that humans inherit Adamic guilt and are in a state of sin from the moment of conception. This inherently sinful nature (the basis for the Calvinistic doctrine of "total depravity") results in a complete alienation from God and the total inability of humans to achieve reconciliation with God based on their own abilities. Not only do individuals inherit a sinful nature due to Adam's fall, but since he was the federal head and representative of the human race, all whom he represented inherit the guilt of his sin by imputation. Redemption by Jesus Christ is the only remedy.

John Calvin defined original sin in his Institutes of the Christian Religion as follows:

    Original sin, therefore, seems to be a hereditary depravity and corruption of our nature, diffused into all parts of the soul, which first makes us liable to God's wrath, then also brings forth in us those works which Scripture calls "works of the flesh" (Gal 5:19). And that is properly what Paul often calls sin. The works that come forth from it – such as adulteries, fornications, thefts, hatreds, murders, carousings – he accordingly calls "fruits of sin" (Gal 5:19–21), although they are also commonly called "sins" in Scripture, and even by Paul himself

Quote (Mutant @ Oct 13 2014 11:24pm)

vicarious redemption is a nasty thing, you're saying you would let someone else serve a prison sentence for you

Quote (CPK001 @ Oct 13 2014 06:12am)

Is that what I'm saying or is that how you perceived my text? Is that what I'm saying or are you putting words into my mouth?

Quote (CPK001 @ 13 Oct 2014 09:12)

Is that what I'm saying or is that how you perceived my text? Is that what I'm saying or are you putting words into my mouth?

Quote (hATemOnkEy @ Oct 13 2014 10:05am)

I thought pride in general was considered sinful, not just false pride. (edit: where do you draw the line between satisfaction and pride?)

Also, did a quick wiki



Seems like Luther and Calvin accepted the notion of original sin. Are you of a certain particular Protesant denomination that goes against this?


(edit2: not trying to be a dick here. hope it doesn't come across as such)

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ 13 Oct 2014 17:37)

...one of the problems with the word pride is that it is used to describe something as simple as keeping a clean house , that sense of accomplishment we get from a job completed and well done all the way up to thinking oneself is equal to God .Certainly they are not equal and the distinction is found in the heart . As human beings created by God we were given the full range of normal human emotions necessary for our survival and being " proud " of our accomplishments is one of them . [1]


...I am neither a Lutheran or a Calvinist and their respective opinions on original sin do not concern me . If I identify my Christian beliefs I always say born-again , Protestant , Bible churched . The word Protestant can actually be eliminated but I use it to separate myself from the traditions of the Orthodox theologies . In a fuller understanding I study under the discipline of dispensationalism . [2]

Quote (hATemOnkEy @ Oct 13 2014 11:44am)

[1] Fair enough.

[2] Will do some reading up on dispensationalism. Can't say I'm familiar with the term.

Quote (hATemOnkEy @ 13 Oct 2014 08:44)

[1] Fair enough.

[2] Will do some reading up on dispensationalism. Can't say I'm familiar with the term.

Quote (HighschoolTurd @ Oct 13 2014 10:55am)

To help get you started:

• Innocence (Genesis 1-3)--Adam and Eve before they sinned
  
• Conscience (Genesis 3-8)--First sin to the flood
  
• Civil Government (Genesis 9-11)--After the flood, government
  
• Promise (Genesis 12-Ex. 19)--Abraham to Moses, the Law is given
  
• Law (Exodus 20-Acts 2:4)--Moses to the cross
  
• Grace (Acts 2:4-Revelation 20:3)--Cross to the millennial kingdom
  
• Millennial Kingdom (Rev. 20:4-6)--The rule of Christ on earth in the millennial kingdom

(These are the main 7 dispensations )