Quote (Ylem122 @ Oct 14 2013 12:09pm)

thats a citation that says you as a christian you should do onto others as you would have them do onto you: repay them as you would wish to be repaid

and as a christian "if some one is to strike your eye with a block of wood, forgive them"

Not: the person who damaged SHOULD pay

so, citation please?

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Quote (Ylem122 @ Oct 11 2013 10:53pm)
if you are to accidnetly strike some one in the eye with a block of wood, repay them as you would wish to be repaid, but if some one is to strike your eye with a block of wood, forgive them as does not the gentile force recompense from those who have done them wrong, does not the tax collector force recompense from those who have done them wrong, does not the praises force recompense from those who have done them wrong, for if you force recompense what more have you done? forgive them and be perfect like our father who art in heaven.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 14 2013 01:15pm)

that amounts to you should repay them since 99.9% of people would want to be repaid.

Quote (Ylem122 @ Oct 14 2013 12:20pm)

yes you should as a christians, not every one is christians, and thus when some one who isnt a christian strikes you in the eye, they arnt christians, so you cant expect them to reepay you, they dont follow your law, so you have to forgive.


if you are to accidnetly strike some one in the eye with a block of wood, repay them as you would wish to be repaid,but if some one is to strike your eye with a block of wood, forgive them as does not the gentile force recompense from those who have done them wrong, does not the tax collector force recompense from those who have done them wrong, does not the praises force recompense from those who have done them wrong, for if you force recompense what more have you done? forgive them and be perfect like our father who art in heaven.


so you should never expect to paid recompense, just happy that you are.

Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Oct 14 2013 10:27am)

...which is not a commandment and clear evidence you are not familiar with the 3 types of Old Testament law . I might also add that as someone who pretends to be an observant Jew you should not be spelling out the word God .

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 13 2013 09:53pm)

in the case of collecting grain, jesus rationalizes it saying that it was ok because it was a matter of life and death, in which case it would be acceptable. he doesnt dispute the fact that it would otherwise be forbidden. in the case of eating, its debatable what he meant by "[doesnt] defile a person" and whether he intended that to mean that you can now eat whatever you want. christianity has decided that it did mean you could eat whatever you want, but thats not necessarily the case.

jesus's message wasnt that the pharisees were misinterpreting the law, rather that they were only keeping it for hypocritical reasons of showing off rather than true belief and intent. his message (part of it anyway) was that they should be following them for more altruistic reasons.

as for gentiles keeping the law, see the beginning of acts 15 (council at jerusalem) where it is decided that the gentile followers of jesus dont need to convert, but should observe a few things ("20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. ") which amount to noahide laws, which is the laws that jews believe non-jews should follow. also, note that this only applied to the GENTILE followers of jesus, the jewish ones would still have to follow full Law. whereas modern christianity believes that whether jewish or not, you dont need to follow ANY laws, even the noahide ones, to get into heaven, you just have to believe (citing john 3:16).

Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 14 2013 01:54pm)

The largest living Christian sect, Roman Catholicism, makes very clear that faith and works are required for salvation. What you just said is blatantly incorrect.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 14 2013 02:00pm)

which 'works' are those? 

does it include not working on the sabbath?  does it include not eating pork and shellfish?  does it include any of the other commandments?


the works they are referring to are good deeds like feeding the homeless, etc. and while those are no doubt honorable and worthy things to do, they are not necessarily a fulfillment of the Law.

Quote (bogie160 @ Oct 14 2013 02:05pm)

No, they are not. The Catholic Church preaches Christ's teachings and those outlined in the gospels and other biblical writings. Don't bastardize Catholic dogma to fit your own weird interpretation.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Oct 14 2013 02:13pm)

indeed. so, as the one who was damaged, you should forgive the person who damaged you and not seek out payment. (ie in court.)

but as the person who did the damage, the sentence before that says that you should pay anyway, even if the person doesnt take you to court.

Quote (Ylem122 @ Oct 14 2013 01:09pm)

thats a citation that says as a christian you should do onto others as you would have them do onto you: repay them as you would wish to be repaid

and as a christian "if some one is to strike your eye with a block of wood, forgive them"

Not: the person who damaged SHOULD pay

so, citation please?