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May 19 2013 09:48am
This isn't exactly on subject but I was wondering, what happens if said guy barely makes enough money to live off or have no job, then how would child support works? Or what happens if you don't pay, you get sent to jail? And if so on what count? Technically sending the guy to jail wouldn't change anything.

And I said guy but of course it could go both ways I guess if guy has custody and girl has to pay for child support

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Poor males, they have it so hard....

All those deadbeat mothers running off and leaving them behind.

When the mother does get stuck paying for their kids, people just claim that the guy is out buying gym shoes and car parts instead of taking care of his kid.

Really, women should be able to tell men whether or not to keep the baby because it can be inconvenient to them.

Quote (taekvideo @ May 19 2013 02:35am)
Money is labor.
If you're ordered to pay $400/month in child support, you're being forced to perform $400/month worth of labor for someone else (for no pay).


Yeah, I do that for my children. All good parents do. It is the glorious burden of parenthood.

Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 19 2013 12:14am)
Then apply that same logic to woman and stop being a hypocrite.
And what about if he DID use a condom?
They break.


The man is responsible for his actions and the woman is responsible for hers. Since she has to commit to carrying and developing the child she has additional responsibility.

My reasoning is not hypocritical. Yours is just selfish. You think men ought to be able to go around and get whomever they want pregnant without caring about the responsibility of having to care for the child once it is a separate and living thing. Men had many centuries where that was the case, in modernity that has changes, because forces that exist are strong enough to make men own up to their responsibility (about half the time).



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Quote (Xhenovos @ May 19 2013 11:48am)
This isn't exactly on subject but I was wondering, what happens if said guy barely makes enough money to live off or have no job

...not an acceptable excuse in the eyes of the court

, then how would child support works? Or what happens if you don't pay, you get sent to jail? And if so on what count?

...since child support is court ordered a charge of contempt of court is in order



Technically sending the guy to jail wouldn't change anything.

....hopefully it changes his attitude about finding a job and also teaches other deadbeat dads that the courts take non-support seriously

And I said guy but of course it could go both ways I guess if guy has custody and girl has to pay for child support


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A second-cousin parked his car in his garage and left it running because he was facing nine years in prison for failing to support his child for a decade and a half.

He probably thought he was a victim to.
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Thanks for answering, I was curious, and although I agree with you that sending the guy to jail will hopefully change his attitude, it still doesn't help towards the situation he was sent to jail for so in my opinion it's kind of stupid, the way I see it is, he gets charged for not paying for child support, so we'll send him to jail where he won't be able to helps pay the child support. So really if money was the problem in the first place, I don't see how the other person involved (the one that was asking for the child support) would benefit or be happy of the outcome, and if they are that kinda makes them as bad of a person as the one that neglet paying the child support for finding rejoyce in ones suffering (even tho they somewhat deserved it) and would imply that money wasn't really that much of a problem in the first place, they really just wanted to see the other person suffer.
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Quote (Xhenovos @ May 19 2013 12:24pm)
Thanks for answering, I was curious, and although I agree with you that sending the guy to jail will hopefully change his attitude, it still doesn't help towards the situation he was sent to jail for so in my opinion it's kind of stupid, the way I see it is, he gets charged for not paying for child support, so we'll send him to jail where he won't be able to helps pay the child support. So really if money was the problem in the first place, I don't see how the other person involved (the one that was asking for the child support) would benefit or be happy of the outcome, and if they are that kinda makes them as bad of a person as the one that neglet paying the child support for finding rejoyce in ones suffering (even tho they somewhat deserved it) and would imply that money wasn't really that much of a problem in the first place, they really just wanted to see the other person suffer.


...in almost all cases of non-support by the father the mother is eligible for and receiving public assistance . If we the taxpayers have to support another mans child we deserve the right to punish him for his dereliction .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 19 2013 12:48pm)
...in almost all cases of non-support by the father the mother is eligible for and receiving public assistance . If we the taxpayers have to support another mans child we deserve the right to punish him for his dereliction .


Make sense! Last question, if lets say the person with custody makes alot of money already like 3 times more than the one that would have to pay for child support, wouldn't it be kind of selfish/abusing the system? Knowing you don't really need the money but still going to ask for it, not saying that this would be a a good enough reason for the other person to not oblige to his obligation of course.

/e Well I guess this isn't really a question, kinda falls into what lifebane posted already

Quote (Lifebane99 @ May 19 2013 04:25am)
My partners step sister shae's mother is recieving child support for 3 children from 3 fathers (her father is one of my best friends), all of whom want custody and do not get it, she is a school teacher on $70,000 a year and is receiving 30% of 3 mens wages..
I despise the child support system.
Shae is fantastic though, like another sister to me.


The system fails

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Quote (Xhenovos @ May 19 2013 11:58am)
Make sense! Last question, if lets say the person with custody makes alot of money already like 3 times more than the one that would have to pay for child support, wouldn't it be kind of selfish/abusing the system? Knowing you don't really need the money but still going to ask for it, not saying that this would be a a good enough reason for the other person to not oblige to his obligation of course.

/e Well I guess this isn't really a question, kinda falls into what lifebane posted already



The system fails


The mother's salary shouldn't be relevant in regards to whether or not the father has to pay. The mother's salary has nothing to do with the parental responsibility of the father.

The system fails because it forces three deadbeats to pay for their children? Why should the mother be expected to raise three children not only alone in person but alone in finances as well?

That is the system working my friend. People need to be personally responsible. Actions have consequences.

The system would fail it if allowed men to completely abandon their children. If they want to be scumbags and not be involved with their children's life they have the ability to pay some money and wash their hands of the whole situation.

Your position and well as Lifebane is that men should have the right to abandon their children with no consequence. I've been defending my position thus far, you should defend your wretched position.

So why do you believe that men should be able to abandon their children with no consequence?

This post was edited by Skinned on May 19 2013 11:14am
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May 19 2013 11:23am
Quote (Skinned @ May 19 2013 10:06am)
A second-cousin parked his car in his garage and left it running because he was facing nine years in prison for failing to support his child for a decade and a half.

He probably thought he was a victim to.


They can be, especially if it is demanded an amount be paid that exceeds reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYb5xSd4PRs

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May 19 2013 11:33am
Quote (Skinned @ May 19 2013 05:10pm)
The mother's salary shouldn't be relevant in regards to whether or not the father has to pay.  The mother's salary has nothing to do with the parental responsibility of the father.

The system fails because it forces three deadbeats to pay for their children?  Why should the mother be expected to raise three children not only alone in person but alone in finances as well?

That is the system working my friend.  People need to be personally responsible.  Actions have consequences.

The system would fail it if allowed men to completely abandon their children.  If they want to be scumbags and not be involved with their children's life they have the ability to pay some money and wash their hands of the whole situation.

Your position and well as Lifebane is that men should have the right to abandon their children with no consequence.  I've been defending my position thus far, you should defend your wretched position. 

So why do you believe that men should be able to abandon their children with no consequence?


I find myself agreeing with 90%+ of what you say on these forums. Very well said.
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