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#91
Mar 14 2012 05:28am
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 14 2012 06:19am)
I don't think you understand. There aren't any 50' x 50' cartoonish giant pipes leading straight down to their reactor core with a big glowing target on them.
You try dropping a thermo bomb onto an air intake, and guess what happens? You blow a nice hole in the ground, and don't do a thing to the people underground except give them one less tube, of which they would have many.


....as I guessed you really are unfamiliar with their destructive power . The resulting shockwaves will seal that place forever .
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Mar 14 2012 05:41am
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ Mar 14 2012 11:28am)
....as I guessed you really are unfamiliar with their destructive power . The resulting shockwaves will seal that place forever .


General bunker busters work that way pretty well, even without nuclear warheads. The GBU-28 is a nice example. The whole design is centered on penetrating as much rock before detonation.

Bunker busters with nuclear warheads do exist iirc, but they haven't been used. What would be more appropriate is the usage of heavy metals (depleted uranium) to maximize penetrating power. But yes, pressure waves caused by explosions will cause massive damage in underground facilities. And there's a very simple reason for that. The pressure has no way of escaping. So it resonates through the entire complex, shattering most things into pieces.

If Goomshill wants to find out proof, an easy way is to have a pipe with one end sealed and the other end a fairly tight lid. Put a firecracker inside with a long enough fuse, Put the lid on and see how much the explosive power is amplified.
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#93
Mar 14 2012 05:44am
Not to argue for the sake of arguing, but targeting the ports won't seal the place forever. A thermobaric device will disable if it penetrates deep enough. I honestly don't know if the current penetration technology is sufficient, and it varies from facility to facility. One thing is for sure the facilities will be shut down and evacuated at the first sign of imminent attack.

Assume the penetration power is sufficient to destroy all the facilities. So what... that capability was never really in question. What is in question is the post strike regional situation.
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Mar 14 2012 05:50am
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Not to argue for the sake of arguing, but targeting the ports won't seal the place forever. A thermobaric device will disable if it penetrates deep enough. I honestly don't know if the current penetration technology is sufficient, and it varies from facility to facility. One thing is for sure the facilities will be shut down and evacuated at the first sign of imminent attack.

Assume the penetration power is sufficient to destroy all the facilities. So what... that capability was never really in question. What is in question is the post strike regional situation.


I definitely agree with this. The big question is not whether or not the USA/Israel will be able to shut down Iran's offensive capabilities, the question is what the political fallout will be if it happens.
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Mar 14 2012 05:50am
Impossible to convince these kids that Iran isn't invincible. Goomshill is a muslim so misguided faith is likely his reason, zingersupreme probably justs hates America.

Somebody better warn Obama about the missile launching digletts, invincible bunkers and bulletproof infantry Iran has.
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Mar 14 2012 05:53am
Quote (balrog66 @ Mar 14 2012 06:50am)
I definitely agree with this. The big question is not whether or not the USA/Israel will be able to shut down Iran's offensive capabilities, the question is what the political fallout will be if it happens.


....China and Russia will bitch and moan but at the end of the day neither wants a nuclear armed Iran and both have their own problems with radical militant Islam that do not get the puclicity ours do .
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Mar 14 2012 05:54am
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... probably justs hates America.


:rofl:

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Mar 14 2012 06:00am
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....China and Russia will bitch and moan but at the end of the day neither wants a nuclear armed Iran and both have their own problems with radical militant Islam that do not get the puclicity ours do .


True... The Uyghur people were in the news a couple of years ago with the riots and such, and Chechnya has been a pain in the ass for Russia since ever.

Still the Middle-East is quite important. Not in the least because of the Suez Canal, as trade route or just as a consuming market.
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Mar 14 2012 06:02am
I present to you what would happen to the planet earth if it were hit by a comet (in Goomshill's mind)



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Mar 14 2012 06:06am
Quote (Goomshill @ 14 Mar 2012 12:30)
Good against bunkers, not against mountains. Those facilities are half nuke proof, conventional explosives and earthquake bombs wouldn't even give them a headache.




Anyway, so I can pour a cold splash of reality onto the warmongering and bloodlust in this thread, let me ask you this-
what happens if we go into Iran, start carpet bombing military installations and infrastructure, destroying the entire country
and then 3 days later, a nuclear explosive detonates over the skies of Tel Aviv, disintegrating everyone on the ground, killing 2 million israelis.
Because suddenly you find out that Iran had been misleading the world, and had already gotten the bomb- and was just stockpiling before it would reveal it.
And what then?
Because heres the fact of the matter- as soon as we actually attack Iran, they will immediately announce to the world that they have the bomb.
Be it ahmedickface on the air, or the ayatollah himself, someone will speak out and proclaim that they really did have a nuclear weapon program, and it is now online, and if you don't back off, Israel is toast.
And thats exactly what will happen. Whether or not they actually have the bomb. For obvious reasons really. And then, does it matter whether they have the bomb?


How will we respond to that. Iran declares it has the bomb right as we start attacks, and demands we cease, or they obliterate us.
Will we cease, or try to call the bluff and keep bombing? If we do, might chinese or russian or DPRK bomb find its way into Israel? Teach a lesson about MAD.
So pray tell, when Iran makes that announcement on the eve of battle, what will be our reaction?


First I would like to mention that any rational player wouldn't launch an Atomic bomb to a country with atomic bombs.

Second, Nukes aren't design to penetrate moutains or to do hole in the ground.
Nukes actually explode before they hit the ground to create massive destruction and to hit a larger radius.
That said there are conventional weapons that are designed to penetrates holes big enough and then nuke the hole itself or to use some big conventional bomb.

but I must agree with you this not going to be easy.


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