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Mar 12 2012 10:36am
Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 12 2012 03:32pm)


His conciliatory language abroad contradicts his posturing at home.


Like?
US lecturing about human rights violations by other countries meanwhile putting innocent people in guantanmo, dispatching drones killing suspects and "collateral damage"/civilians & arming dictatorships etc, this is the kind of double-speaking you mean?
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Mar 12 2012 10:55am
Quote (ZingerSupreme @ 12 Mar 2012 09:13)
Do you know the meaning of regime?
The Zionist regime = the political system, the way of ruling the people and geographic area.
It is that which he said should be wiped from the page of time.
And he is right... this racist and apartheid like regime belongs in the garbage bin of history.
The Jews in the area should stay under a new peaceful, tolerant regime that respects the rights of Palestinians as well as Jews.


The fact that you even calls Israeli regime apartheid means you have no clue of the situation in here.
Its deffiantly not apartheid we have many religions lives among us freely: Druze, Christians Arabs, Muslims Arabs and Somarions.
Yes Laws suchs as Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law from West Bank and Gaza might sounds like a problematic law but we are very sorry that we do not want an Enemy within us.
Yes, the area's that were occupied by military like Gaza Strip (Not occupied) and West Bank which is still "occupied" (yet, we have no internal involvment), the reason behind it, is to keep the Jewish start Jewish since we have only 1 state.
Yes, it doesn't look good and defending this agenda is pretty damn hard if you do not live here and understand the situation of having people who you have to treat the same while they only wants to kill you.
For example: The Knesset member Hanin Zoaby with the Turkish Marmara she was on the boat while those "Peace Keepers" attacked Israeli soldiers.
It is more complex then anything this planet have ever faced so stop trying to slove it with useless Black and White Sayings.


Quote (ZingerSupreme @ 12 Mar 2012 09:13)
Do you know the meaning of regime?
The Zionist regime = the political system, the way of ruling the people and geographic area.
It is that which he said should be wiped from the page of time.
And he is right... this racist and apartheid like regime belongs in the garbage bin of history.
The Jews in the area should stay under a new peaceful, tolerant regime that respects the rights of Palestinians as well as Jews.


Yes I know what is Regime its the form of government that control the area, and right now it is a Jewish government. playing with words to try and explain the worst dictator since Hitler is dumb (specially when you can see he will kill his own people to stay in control).
We do have a problematic way of control but this is the only way we can keep ourselves safe, This is not a "State of all its citizens" like in the US it is first and for most State for the Jews and after that its a state for everyone else we give everyone that lives within us the same rights yet we keep the Jewish Tradition in Laws (Marriage for example, which you don't have to follow if you are not a Jew).

There for people like you who live in a different type of countries can't understand the problematic situation in here, you ask us to like the people who wakes up in the morning and think how we gonna kill an Israeli Jew Today!


Quote (ZingerSupreme @ 12 Mar 2012 10:53)
Of course I have.
Zionism is fundamentally immoral and flawed because it seeks a Jewish state on land that has a large, if not majority, none Jewish population. Let us say it is 50%/50%.
There is nothing moral in 50% imposing the Jewishness of the state on the remaining 50%.
So indeed, there is a problem with the Jewishness of the state, and Israeli should not survive as a Jewish state because this is racist against none Jews who live in the area and have been living for a long time.


It is not racist to the people that leaves within us stop spreading lies I have Muslim Arab nainbours that I get along with very well, the only problem is the Area's Egypt and Jordan gave up after 67 (West Bank and Gaza) which is now for some reason our problem.

Now about the "PALESTINIANS" which isn't a People it is a fiction that never existed before my Grandpa was born in Israel in 1929 and his father was born in 1896 so don't tell me they were a small friction, they were here and they were always been called Jews and Always hunted by Bedouin's.

History showed us more then once that Jews can not Survive within any other countries (Russia, Lybia, Italian, Germany, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Marocco, Polin, Gruzia, Lituania, Netherlands they were even discriminated in Ethiopia) since they were always been hunted and blamed for other's people mistakes or the regime mistakes, now we have a country, we are strong and we are going to keep it Jewish whether you like it or not.
I am tired of all these argument from your Sofa and your comftable homes while I am sitting in a rain of rockets (40 since the morning).

You can not judge people when you do not understand the situation, you can judge people while you feed yourself by media, internet or anything anyone write.
You can only understand if you live it.
So until then nothing you say or think doesn't really matter.

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Mar 12 2012 02:26pm
This all reminds me of our proud American history. I remember how America was a "White Protestant State", just like how Israel is a "Jewish State". And we fought hard to keep it so! We had a huge population of negros, but we could never allow them equal rights and voting and political say. America would have been destroyed. It would no longer be White America. So we kept them as slaves, and there was never a civil war, there was never a union or confederacy, and the niggers remain slaves today, and god can only imagine how terrible this country would be if it hadn't been for equal rights. Imagine that if some day, we didn't have a White Majority in our country!? Holy shit. And imagine if it was even so bad that our head of government wasn't always a white man! Hah. Good thing we'll never let the blacks or women or asians vote.

It is incredibly important for the Israeli people to maintain their cultural heritage and Zionist majority, not allowing equal citizenship to arabs and inherently discriminating against them. Were they ever to cave into these silly talks of "equality" and "ending the blockade and collective punishment" and "opening the concentration camps", what the fuck would become of Israel? How could she be forced to "peacefully coexist" with such apes? They clearly are subhumans, like the blacks still are to us. Man, the way we rely on black labor to man our cotton plantations, its just like how the Israeli's rely on slave labor right now to drive their settlement constructions and farms. Especially the double-think were they hilarious claim the starving palestinians employed in destroying their own homes are "better off" because they get to earn their food and drink instead of starving in the worlds largest concentration camp.

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I am tired of all these argument from your Sofa and your comftable homes while I am sitting in a rain of rockets (40 since the morning).


Cry me a river, you delusional, self entitled bloodthirsty prick. You're scared of a rain of bottle rockets that kill less people than vending machines
I wonder what the Palestinians are scared of right now? Maybe the totally disproportionate force on a fight you instigated?

I can argue safely from the Sofa in my comfortable home, even to the point of being able to leave my house unlocked and drive 500 miles in any direction and feel safe with anyone
And why? Because my home wasn't built by slave labor. Because my home doesn't exist as an island upon the backs of someone else's suffering.
Because my people were able to find peaceful coexistence, instead of trading massacres for all history.

Whatever you have upon your head, is not well deserved- you deserve far more of it. And for it, I am pitiless, unsympathetic and pray you find yourself one of those rare direct hits.
You support massacres, you support concentration camps and wage slavery and the crushing genocide of a race. You support the killing of innocent people to fuel your own sense of security, you support eternal war and crimes against humanity over peaceful coexistence.
And for that, I say, you aren't reaping but a fraction of what you sow. Gladly, that day may yet come. The south found it once, you may yet learn your error in the only way you know how.
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Mar 12 2012 02:27pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 12 2012 03:26pm)
This all reminds me of our proud American history. I remember how America was a "White Protestant State", just like how Israel is a "Jewish State". And we fought hard to keep it so! We had a huge population of negros, but we could never allow them equal rights and voting and political say. America would have been destroyed. It would no longer be White America. So we kept them as slaves, and there was never a civil war, there was never a union or confederacy, and the niggers remain slaves today, and god can only imagine how terrible this country would be if it hadn't been for equal rights. Imagine that if some day, we didn't have a White Majority in our country!? Holy shit. And imagine if it was even so bad that our head of government wasn't always a white man! Hah. Good thing we'll never let the blacks or women or asians vote.

It is incredibly important for the Israeli people to maintain their cultural heritage and Zionist majority, not allowing equal citizenship to arabs and inherently discriminating against them. Were they ever to cave into these silly talks of "equality" and "ending the blockade and collective punishment" and "opening the concentration camps", what the fuck would become of Israel? How could she be forced to "peacefully coexist" with such apes? They clearly are subhumans, like the blacks still are to us. Man, the way we rely on black labor to man our cotton plantations, its just like how the Israeli's rely on slave labor right now to drive their settlement constructions and farms. Especially the double-think were they hilarious claim the starving palestinians employed in destroying their own homes are "better off" because they get to earn their food and drink instead of starving in the worlds largest concentration camp.



Cry me a river, you delusional, self entitled bloodthirsty prick. You're scared of a rain of bottle rockets that kill less people than vending machines
I wonder what the Palestinians are scared of right now? Maybe the totally disproportionate force on a fight you instigated?

I can argue safely from the Sofa in my comfortable home, even to the point of being able to leave my house unlocked and drive 500 miles in any direction and feel safe with anyone
And why? Because my home wasn't built by slave labor. Because my home doesn't exist as an island upon the backs of someone else's suffering.
Because my people were able to find peaceful coexistence, instead of trading massacres for all history.

Whatever you have upon your head, is not well deserved- you deserve far more of it. And for it, I am pitiless, unsympathetic and pray you find yourself one of those rare direct hits.
You support massacres, you support concentration camps and wage slavery and the crushing genocide of a race. You support the killing of innocent people to fuel your own sense of security, you support eternal war and crimes against humanity over peaceful coexistence.
And for that, I say, you aren't reaping but a fraction of what you sow. Gladly, that day may yet come. The south found it once, you may yet learn your error in the only way you know how.


Someone's mad.
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Mar 12 2012 07:41pm
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"This all reminds me of our proud American history. I remember how America was a "White Protestant State", just like how Israel is a "Jewish State". And we fought hard to keep it so! We had a huge population of negros, but we could never allow them equal rights and voting and political say. America would have been destroyed. It would no longer be White America. So we kept them as slaves, and there was never a civil war, there was never a union or confederacy, and the niggers remain slaves today, and god can only imagine how terrible this country would be if it hadn't been for equal rights. Imagine that if some day, we didn't have a White Majority in our country!? Holy shit. And imagine if it was even so bad that our head of government wasn't always a white man! Hah. Good thing we'll never let the blacks or women or asians vote.
It is incredibly important for the Israeli people to maintain their cultural heritage and Zionist majority, not allowing equal citizenship to arabs and inherently discriminating against them. Were they ever to cave into these silly talks of "equality" and "ending the blockade and collective punishment" and "opening the concentration camps", what the fuck would become of Israel? How could she be forced to "peacefully coexist" with such apes? They clearly are subhumans, like the blacks still are to us. Man, the way we rely on black labor to man our cotton plantations, its just like how the Israeli's rely on slave labor right now to drive their settlement constructions and farms. Especially the double-think were they hilarious claim the starving palestinians employed in destroying their own homes are "better off" because they get to earn their food and drink instead of starving in the worlds largest concentration camp."


You know what is the main problem with you? you are always Impassioned to prove you are right you don't take time to stop and breath.
Base your arguments on facts please.

Do you know what zionism is? I guess not cause you keep talking about it like a fool so I'll just fix your mind about.
Zionism is a Stream of Jews that wanted a country for themselves and since 1948 the Zionism ended since they achieved what they wanted.
Now what you call Zionist today if there is no such thing?

yes we do want to maintain our caltural heritage and if by Zionism you mean those who loves Israel as majority I agree, there are 21 Muslims state and 22 won't change anything hence why we can not soak Gaza and the West Bank and that the main reason why we disconnected from Gaza (Which in fact was an Egyption land buy since they want nothing to do with these people they took Sinai back and didn't want to accept Gaza back) and trying to do the same in West Bank (Which were in Jordanian Control before they just didn't want to deal and take care of them)
We are not a country that stand by your standards so we can not exist? we are not a country for all its citizens like the US but we are a country that respect everyone in it:
For example on the street signs in Israel there are 3 laguages Hebrew English and Arabic since Arabic is an official langauge because one third of the citizen in Israel are Arabs and they live freely here no one force them to do anything some of them even serve in the army.
You call me in horrible names, why? you do not know me, yet you insult me and try to stick labels on me "Bloodthirty, Prick, delusional and a cowerd".

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"I can argue safely from the Sofa in my comfortable home, even to the point of being able to leave my house unlocked and drive 500 miles in any direction and feel safe with anyone
And why? Because my home wasn't built by slave labor. Because my home doesn't exist as an island upon the backs of someone else's suffering.
Because my people were able to find peaceful coexistence, instead of trading massacres for all history"


I can leave my unlocked house a drive to Tira, Taibe, Kfar Kasem, and any other Arab cities without being afraid (I do not know what you on about) within the border of my country I am not afraid to go anywhere.

My home wasn't built on a slave labor, if you will open history books for once and check what happend here before this country was founded things will look differently.
we actually bought lands from Arabs that lived in area's near Jewish cities (And when things were getting bad for them they started hanging those who sold us land) yes I am a 5th generation here from my mothers side second generation from my father side which his parents had to run away from Lybia.

I have no idea where you live since in doesn't say but no Human on the face of this planet lived with coexistence with anything until the last 100 years and if you are an American tell that to the Indian's.

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Whatever you have upon your head, is not well deserved- you deserve far more of it. And for it, I am pitiless, unsympathetic and pray you find yourself one of those rare direct hits.
You support massacres, you support concentration camps and wage slavery and the crushing genocide of a race. You support the killing of innocent people to fuel your own sense of security, you support eternal war and crimes against humanity over peaceful coexistence.
And for that, I say, you aren't reaping but a fraction of what you sow. Gladly, that day may yet come. The south found it once, you may yet learn your error in the only way you know how.


Again you base your arguments about god knows what, how can you talk about helping others while calling for the death of others that doesn't makes sense, I will never call for the death of another human being.
I do not support any massacre, I never said I did you just claim it for some reason and I still want you to understand we do not control Gaza string we do not massacre them we simply react and prevent.
and by prevent we capture their heads of terrorists organizations or killing them and I don't see any problem with that and if thats what you call massacre that you should open a dictionary.
I do not support concentration camps and a wage of slavery we have law about minimum wage here but what it has to do with the people that live in Gaza? They don't work here they are not citizens of this country they are not inside our borders of judgment.
I would like you to show me 1 concentration camp and I will shut up for ever. Genocide is another word you need to open the dictionary for cause you simply do not understand it "Genocide is defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group"
Does it looks like we are trying to deliberately and systematicly destroy them? if so give me an example cause you seem to be full of them just without facts.

Goomshill you are a waste of breath but I am only here to stop you from spreading your race Diseases to other people.

Ido,
Zionist.

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Mar 12 2012 08:44pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 21 2011 04:59pm)
0 days ago is my cutoff. 0 minutes ago.
Thats how long previous crimes against you justify crimes against others. IE, Never.
Enduring a holocaust doesn't justify putting someone else into a concentration camp. Period.
I don't need to give you the same tired "two wrongs don't make a right" shit. You're not 8 years old, you already understand this.
Nothing justifies it, and the people who continue the bloodshed are always ethically on the wrong side.


Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 21 2011 04:59pm)
Violence spreads itself as an infectious disease. A jew kills an arab's son, that arab takes up arms and kills that jew's son, the violence continues cyclically.
The only person who is actually towards the greatest good is the one who moves towards the peace process, irregardless of his own losses.
And no matter all the tragedy that anyone had to endure, the only right direction is towards peace.
So theres nothing in the past I'll accept as an excuse to continue the violence.


Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 12 2012 03:26pm)

Whatever you have upon your head, is not well deserved- you deserve far more of it. And for it, I am pitiless, unsympathetic and pray you find yourself one of those rare direct hits.
You support massacres, you support concentration camps and wage slavery and the crushing genocide of a race. You support the killing of innocent people to fuel your own sense of security, you support eternal war and crimes against humanity over peaceful coexistence.
And for that, I say, you aren't reaping but a fraction of what you sow. Gladly, that day may yet come. The south found it once, you may yet learn your error in the only way you know how.


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Mar 12 2012 09:18pm
Quote (amatsukami @ Mar 12 2012 04:36pm)
Like?
US lecturing about human rights violations by other countries meanwhile putting innocent people in guantanmo, dispatching drones killing suspects and "collateral damage"/civilians & arming dictatorships etc, this is the kind of double-speaking you mean?


Sure, it's the exact same, but I don't put any stock in American diplomatic posturing.

We are, first and foremost, interested in our own security and the maintenance of our world hegemony.

That hegemony is, all in all, a net boon for the world. Iran seeks to threaten that hegemony and by extension the good it provides. In a conflict between our two countries, however, they will not survive.
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Mar 12 2012 09:19pm
Quote (ZingerSupreme @ Mar 12 2012 01:46pm)
Whoever is slightly ahead, there is no majority and minority... they are for all practical purposes equal.
Reproductive rates are a function of wealth and education. Look at West bank rates today, settlers reproduce  more than West bank Palestinians.
I can go more in detail in another thread... suffice to say here, there is no demographic threat to Jews.

As for the rest... Israel seems can afford to stay in perpetual war... how much worse is perpetual political deadlock? Isn't that why political systems are established to begin with? To make mediums in which conflicts of interest are resolved more civil?


Israel manages to remain relatively unified against outside opposition. Internal as well as external conflict would be devastating.
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Quote (WhiteSouned @ Mar 12 2012 05:36pm)
Yes, there was a point which the land was unsettled. Fuck, my grand grand father worked in drying swamps so they can live there.
The place where i'm living right now was given to the Jewish population in it only AFTER the Arab's nearby approved its borders. If you are looking for injustice - i suggest we get to the point when its all exploded and the fighting started.


If you plan to use a couple of violent incidents many decades ago to justify ethnic cleansing and denying Palestinians basic rights, let us skip please :zzz:
I am not sure your point anyway... Palestinian refugees exist and they came from what is now Israel. Nothing you can say will legitimize their cleansing.

Quote (WhiteSouned @ Mar 12 2012 05:36pm)
There are Israeli-Palestinians. Palestinians which have Israeli ID. You don't hear them complaining on T.V.
Cheap labor ? yes, there are some which are still working in type of works which no Jew wants too. My dentists is Arab from the nearby village, my pharmacist is also Arab and my doctor as well. In conversations i had with them they will always tell you that they learned at school while others refused too.
And the last time I checked - their vote is counted just like my.[/B]


Please step it up and let us have an honest discussion. For every 1 Palestinian with Israeli citizenship there are 10 who don't have it.
You can't give some semblance of rights (still not full even for Palestinians with citizenship) to a small fraction of the population and try to use that as a token to cover up practices against the rest.
This is dishonest and you know it.
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Quote (Many_Names @ Mar 12 2012 06:55pm)
The fact that you even calls Israeli regime apartheid means you have no clue of the situation in here.
Its deffiantly not apartheid we have many religions lives among us freely: Druze, Christians Arabs, Muslims Arabs and Somarions.
Yes Laws suchs as Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law from West Bank and Gaza might sounds like a problematic law but we are very sorry that we do not want an Enemy within us.
Yes, the area's that were occupied by military like Gaza Strip (Not occupied) and West Bank which is still "occupied" (yet, we have no internal involvment), the reason behind it, is to keep the Jewish start Jewish since we have only 1 state.
Yes, it doesn't look good and defending this agenda is pretty damn hard if you do not live here and understand the situation of having people who you have to treat the same while they only wants to kill you.
For example: The Knesset member Hanin Zoaby with the Turkish Marmara she was on the boat while those "Peace Keepers" attacked Israeli soldiers.
It is more complex then anything this planet have ever faced so stop trying to slove it with useless Black and White Sayings.




Yes I know what is Regime its the form of government that control the area, and right now it is a Jewish government. playing with words to try and explain the worst dictator since Hitler is dumb (specially when you can see he will kill his own people to stay in control).
We do have a problematic way of control but this is the only way we can keep ourselves safe, This is not a "State of all its citizens" like in the US it is first and for most State for the Jews and after that its a state for everyone else we give everyone that lives within us the same rights yet we keep the Jewish Tradition in Laws (Marriage for example, which you don't have to follow if you are not a Jew).

There for people like you who live in a different type of countries can't understand the problematic situation in here, you ask us to like the people who wakes up in the morning and think how we gonna kill an Israeli Jew Today!




It is not racist to the people that leaves within us stop spreading lies I have Muslim Arab nainbours that I get along with very well, the only problem is the Area's Egypt and Jordan gave up after 67 (West Bank and Gaza) which is now for some reason our problem.

Now about the "PALESTINIANS" which isn't a People it is a fiction that never existed before my Grandpa was born in Israel in 1929 and his father was born in 1896 so don't tell me they were a small friction, they were here and they were always been called Jews and Always hunted by Bedouin's.

History showed us more then once that Jews can not Survive within any other countries (Russia, Lybia, Italian, Germany, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Marocco, Polin, Gruzia, Lituania, Netherlands they were even discriminated in Ethiopia) since they were always been hunted and blamed for other's people mistakes or the regime mistakes, now we have a country, we are strong and we are going to keep it Jewish whether you like it or not.
I am tired of all these argument from your Sofa and your comftable homes while I am sitting in a rain of rockets (40 since the morning).

You can not judge people when you do not understand the situation, you can judge people while you feed yourself by media, internet or anything anyone write.
You can only understand if you live it.
So until then nothing you say or think doesn't really matter.


Though there is too much to discuss in your post I will focus on a couple of points.


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The fact that you even calls Israeli regime apartheid means you have no clue of the situation in here.


Your typical response is assume I am ignorant and come at me with a condescending "let me tell you how it is attitude" ? You can do better than that.
Btw, I said "apartheid like" which I meant that it shares many similarities with apartheid regime but of course there is different conditions.
You confirmed it yourself:

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This is not a "State of all its citizens" like in the US it is first and for most State for the Jews


How can you seriously argue that it is normal and legitimate to have a "state first and for most for Jews" in land with large, if not majority non-Jewish population?
Imo take the bull head on and answer this one instead of maneuvering.

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You can not judge people when you do not understand the situation, you can judge people while you feed yourself by media, internet or anything anyone write.
You can only understand if you live it.
So until then nothing you say or think doesn't really matter.


Who told you I don't live it? You assumed my friend.

PS: I am a Lebanese. You said Jews can not live in Lebanon... are you aware Jews lived in Lebanon until the civil war which was a direct consequence of Israel not letting Palestinians back? And even then, many stayed, until the IDF themselves bombed the Synagogue in Beirut? Why would they bomb it you might ask? The answer is simple they DONT WANT Jews to survive in other countries because they need population in Israel. Today the Syangouge in Beirut is renovated by Lebanese Jewish community and it is in downtown Beirut. We want to encourage any Jews who had to leave to come back to their ancestral country.
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