You can post that language one, and I tried to help

I still don't understand the reasoning. Not wanting something to happen doesn't mean it is bad if it does happen. Or is this just like, don't do unto others thing?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 22 2011 08:12pm

agnosticism and atheism may and may not be transition stage. as MUCH more people will reach an agnostic state vs an atheistic one there are more who have experienced this as a transitionary state. not to mention one cannot become an atheist without first being agnostic which was my initial point.

i have not taken a personal inventory of everyone on this planet. and i do not require to do so. the thing about knowledge is w/ it one has the ability to make inductions and deductions.

for instance. reaching a true atheistic state is nearly ( MANY will argue completely) impossible. as a result i do not believe your statements about your friends. but why should you care right? i mean i'm just random person on the internet.

finally if that's all you could disagree with, out of the 10 pages or so i've typed in this thread then i think you and me share some kind of special bond. and i thank you for your compliment.

now i'm out this thread is taxing and it's not even mine.

This post was edited by zeratul87 on Jan 22 2011 08:13pm

Well you already know why I think death is a bad thing when forced upon an individual who is sentient. Even if death isn't bad you are inadvertently causing suffering due to causing fear of that death. It is also that don't do unto other thing as well, though, as the majority of the population of animals and humans do not want to die.

no need for me to type my fingers wound, there is plenty more from your statements which do not withstand a critical analysis
the way you make your deductions is very un-academic to say the least
let's just take one example from this last post of yours "one cannot become an atheist without first being agnostic"
a lot of human thinking is in 'black and white' rather than in grey tones
and in that vein many who disagree with the belief in god jump to the opposite side, ie they belive in atheism (w/o going through an agnostic phase)

while you bring some valid points, you bring them in a pretty unregurgitated fashion which reminds me of the typical sociology, literature, psychology or other 'soft subject academia' - btw, there are people with a scientific approach in those 'soft subjects' but just not enough

ps: i still recommend that you read up on kaspar hauser (re innate predisposition to believe in a higher power)


This post was edited by brmv on Jan 22 2011 08:25pm

But that does not change the fact that no suffering is dealt if the animal is imply shot in the head or something. or *insert painless sudden way to die*

A desire to avoid something that we know does not cause suffering is irrelevant. If I hate being around chocolate pie it doesn't change the fact that the fear is irrational and baseless.

yeah i'll do that later.....still thinking things over about this right now lol

Lol, I'm sorry it got de-railed. I tried to say stop a couple times. I hope I helped you though

What is your purpose?

Sure, there is a painless and quick way to die, but that still is causing death, which I don't agree with.

Death is taking away sentience, which we only get one chance at having.