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May 14 2010 11:20pm
Quote (bogie160 @ May 15 2010 12:17am)
I would expect my ancestor to have killed the offending vermin.


Unfortunately, that may be just what he did.
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May 15 2010 02:12am
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You are confusing the Slavic Macedonians with the Greek Macedonians. The Macedonian language is official in Macedonia, while the Ancient Macedonian language, the language of Alexander, was a Hellenic language that was eventually replaced by Koine Greek. The two share the same name because they originate from the same region on the northern border of Greece.

I must commend you, though. Using emoticons to give your tenuous arguments an appeal to pathos is a clever trick that works well on the feeble-minded, but honestly, why are you trying to split up nations and rewrite history when you clearly have no background on the subject?

Greek Macedonian culture exists, just as Spartan and Athenian cultures existed and exist. Regardless, they are all Greek. Since the modern nation-state, as opposed to ancient city-states, stresses linguistic and ethnic unity, one would expect Greece to stress the commonalities of being Greek rather than the differences between being Macedonian or Spartan or Athenian or Thracian or Corinthian or Cretan, but this is by no means "cultural genocide" against Macedon or Athens or Sparta or Thrace or Corinth or Crete. To say that Macedon is not Greek is to suggest that Greece break up into separate city-states again.

Is California any less American because its culture has Hispanic elements and many Hispanophones live there while the much of the rest of the United States is Anglophone?


I had honestly forgotten about the FYROM, as it's been a few years since I did research into the subject. Mea culpa, to be certain.

I use emoticons not to bring pathos to an argument, but merely out of habit from a long time of posting on the internet. The vast majority of them are actually meant in a sarcastic fashion, and you are far from the first to attempt to engage my arguments based on the style of using emoticons rather than on their actual merits. Cute, but I actually expected better of you for some reason.

I am not actually arguing that there should be a split for Greek Macedonia, and rather explicitly stated that I don't think that there needs to be such a split for things to be fair. Had I recalled the FYROM, I would have removed 'immediately' from the discussion entirely.

If America passed laws making it illegal to speak Spanish and people were not allowed to name their children "Jose" or "Maria," I would be much much more outraged because it would be happening in my own nation. But those are the abuses that I find outrageous much more than any idea of statehood. I am not saying that Hispanic California - for the sake of your argument - should be split away from America or that it's any less American. Simply that its culture should be respected and there should be no systematic attempts by the state to obliterate it.

There is a difference between "Stressing linguistic and ethnic unity" and completely attempting to obliterate a culture with long-standing historical ties to the land within your borders. You can spin it however you want, but Greece is doing their best to destroy a culture and replace it with what they believe "True Greeks" should be.
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May 15 2010 03:14am
Quote (Inviction @ May 15 2010 04:49am)
Why must current immigrants know English when the first immigrants did not need to know Cherokee or Navajo?

And why do some frown upon Spanish when the Spanish were the first Europeans to discover the New World?



On the contrary, a "Macedonia for people who feel Macedonian" exists. It is called Macedonia.



You are confusing the Slavic Macedonians with the Greek Macedonians. The Macedonian language is official in Macedonia, while the Ancient Macedonian language, the language of Alexander, was a Hellenic language that was eventually replaced by Koine Greek. The two share the same name because they originate from the same region on the northern border of Greece.

I must commend you, though. Using emoticons to give your tenuous arguments an appeal to pathos is a clever trick that works well on the feeble-minded, but honestly, why are you trying to split up nations and rewrite history when you clearly have no background on the subject?

Greek Macedonian culture exists, just as Spartan and Athenian cultures existed and exist. Regardless, they are all Greek. Since the modern nation-state, as opposed to ancient city-states, stresses linguistic and ethnic unity, one would expect Greece to stress the commonalities of being Greek rather than the differences between being Macedonian or Spartan or Athenian or Thracian or Corinthian or Cretan, but this is by no means "cultural genocide" against Macedon or Athens or Sparta or Thrace or Corinth or Crete. To say that Macedon is not Greek is to suggest that Greece break up into separate city-states again.

Is California any less American because its culture has Hispanic elements and many Hispanophones live there while the much of the rest of the United States is Anglophone?


Macedonians was ONLY GREEKS, after all the capital city was in Pela and Pela is in Greece, even now you can go and see it by yourself,

This fuckin FYROM or whatever is NOT macedonia, after all i am from Greece and i live in Macedonia, its just a state of Greece , as Thrace, as Main Greece, as Peloponisos, as Hypiros but its Greek, this fuckin minority of Fyrom is just a piece of shit, nothin more.
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May 15 2010 06:15am
Quote (bogie160 @ 15 May 2010 05:17)
I would expect my ancestor to have killed the offending vermin.


perhaps your ancestor was killed because someone else considered him vermin?

Quote (eGc-CrusadeR @ 15 May 2010 09:14)
Macedonians was ONLY GREEKS, after all the capital city was in Pela and Pela is in Greece, even now you can go and see it by yourself,

This fuckin FYROM or whatever is NOT macedonia, after all i am from Greece and i live in Macedonia, its just a state of Greece , as Thrace, as Main Greece, as Peloponisos, as Hypiros but its Greek, this fuckin minority of Fyrom is just a piece of shit, nothin more.


when are you going to reclaim ionia? and you better check the borders of ancient thrace as well
perhaps the last few words you posted apply to people with your knowledge and attitude?
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May 15 2010 10:59am
Quote (eGc-CrusadeR @ 15 May 2010 04:14)
Macedonians was ONLY GREEKS, after all the capital city was in Pela and Pela is in Greece, even now you can go and see it by yourself,

This fuckin FYROM or whatever is NOT macedonia,  after all i am from Greece and i live in Macedonia, its just a state of Greece , as Thrace, as Main Greece, as Peloponisos, as Hypiros but its Greek, this fuckin minority of Fyrom is just a piece of shit, nothin more.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure that it's called the Republic of Macedonia and that you just referred to it that way yourself.

In North America, there's California and then "Baja California," which is just south of it in Mexico. Funny enough, since the people of Baja California aren't being constantly oppressed and having their culture attacked by Greece, no one complains about them using the name. :(

Basically, not only do you want to destroy Macedonian culture, but you also can't generate any money and are on your way to collapsing the world economy. Way to go, Greece.
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May 15 2010 01:12pm
lol what are you trying to do ? correct me ? wow ..

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Quote (brmv @ May 15 2010 12:15pm)
perhaps your ancestor was killed because someone else considered him vermin?
when are you going to reclaim ionia? and you better check the borders of ancient thrace as well
perhaps the last few words you posted apply to people with your knowledge and attitude?



Reclaim ionia ? perhaps i should reclaim Constandinoupole aswell ? rediculus, how you dare to correct me in my own Country ? did i try to correct you about your own country ? rediculus really... i know how things goes in my country better than you.

Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ May 15 2010 04:59pm)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that it's called the Republic of Macedonia and that you just referred to it that way yourself. 

In North America, there's California and then "Baja California," which is just south of it in Mexico.  Funny enough, since the people of Baja California aren't being constantly oppressed and having their culture attacked by Greece, no one complains about them using the name.  :( 

Basically, not only do you want to destroy Macedonian culture, but you also can't generate any money and are on your way to collapsing the world economy.  Way to go, Greece.


The Macedonian culture is the Greek culture, plus we have a similar tradicion, stop annoying me know with your low knowledge about the matter, you only made me laugh when i saw your posts, it is like me trying to correct Robert De Niro as an actor.... no chance honstly, i am pretty sure you dont even know how much population or where Greece is excacly located, and you continue to insist, lack of knowledge, this is what you miss in that case
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May 15 2010 01:14pm
Quote (brmv @ May 15 2010 12:15pm)
perhaps your ancestor was killed because someone else considered him vermin?


I'm Irish, so there's a 95% chance of this being true.
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The Macedonian culture is the Greek culture, plus we have a similar tradicion, stop annoying me know with your low knowledge about the matter, you only made me laugh when i saw your posts, it is like me trying to correct Robert De Niro as an actor.... no chance honstly, i am pretty sure you dont even know how much population or where Greece is excacly located, and you continue to insist, lack of knowledge, this is what you miss in that case


Yep, just me and the UN Human Rights Watch, having no idea what we're talkin bout.
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May 15 2010 01:17pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ May 15 2010 07:15pm)
Yep, just me and the UN Human Rights Watch, having no idea what we're talkin bout.


So are you claim that you know better than me my own home ? try to understand my examble, Macedonia is Greek , was located from the very creation in Greek grounds and will continue to be Greek untill the end of the world. Please do not insult me about my own Country
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Quote (eGc-CrusadeR @ May 15 2010 07:12pm)
lol what are you trying to do ? correct me ? wow ..

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Reclaim ionia ? perhaps i should reclaim Constandinoupole aswell ? rediculus, how you dare to correct me in my own Country ? did i try to correct you about your own country ? rediculus really... i know how things goes in my country better than you.



The Macedonian culture is the Greek culture, plus we have a similar tradicion, stop annoying me know with your low knowledge about the matter, you only made me laugh when i saw your posts, it is like me trying to correct Robert De Niro as an actor.... no chance honstly, i am pretty sure you dont even know how much population or where Greece is excacly located, and you continue to insist, lack of knowledge, this is what you miss in that case


That man's acting has gone downhill as hell.
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