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Jun 15 2025 02:57am
It remains to be seen, but its easy to predict a potential for Israel's pride goeth'ing before the fall
The arithmetic of the Israeli left remains the same. Even if you have no lily livered opposition to interventionalism or aversion to killing brown people, the question remains whether it serves the pragmatic long term strategic interests of Israel. Is this going to stop Iran from getting a nuke, or just delay them, and for how long? Is this going to open the door to Iran being willing to conduct reciprocal drone attacks inside Israel? Because if that happens, what will happen? We have to examine whether Israel has the capacity to actually withstand a campaign of bombings, whether it has the military force to crush Iran in a pitched conflict if it gets pulled in, whether Israel has any security means to prevent such attacks. Not questions with obvious answers.

The benefit of peacetime and stability is the comfort of not getting us all killed by making miscalculations. The downside is the rot and slide, the slow erosion of advantage and danger approaching its critical mass. Israel has abandoned the safeguards of the former and plunged us into the latter. There's plenty of room for this dust-up to spiral out of control, and Israel could be overestimating its ability to shrug off retaliation.


Their missile attacks are mostly causing damage in residential areas.
Yesterday, a missile landed near an oil refinery but caused no damage.
The Iranians are estimated to have around 2,000 missiles and have already launched about 400.
At a rate of five major targets per night, they can only sustain this pace for another eight days.
The IDF has the capability to keep pressuring them to the point of collapse.
The only acceptable outcome is for Iran to agree to completely halt its nuclear weapons development.

During the First Gulf War, when the U.S. attacked Iraq, we were targeted by Iraqi missiles and the situation was even more dangerous, as we didn’t have the Iron Dome for protection back then
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Jun 15 2025 05:45am
Keep seeing requests by Netanyahu for US to join on Twitter. Not sure if this is true or bs but the average American, average republican has considerably shifted away from supporting us getting involved. I completely oppose it, not a single US boot on the ground, I don’t even want our tax dollars going to defend other nations. If Trump buckles and gets involved that’s a pretty big betrayal of what his platform was.
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Keep seeing requests by Netanyahu for US to join on Twitter. Not sure if this is true or bs but the average American, average republican has considerably shifted away from supporting us getting involved. I completely oppose it, not a single US boot on the ground, I don’t even want our tax dollars going to defend other nations. If Trump buckles and gets involved that’s a pretty big betrayal of what his platform was.


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Jun 15 2025 05:59am
Israeli strikes on Iran, far from inciting anti-regime uprisings, will fuel grassroots anti-Israel sentiment.

Previously mostly indifferent to Israel, Iranians will now see echoes of Saddam’s 1980s attacks, with innocent civilian casualties stoking outrage, not Israel-led “liberation.”
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Keep seeing requests by Netanyahu for US to join on Twitter. Not sure if this is true or bs but the average American, average republican has considerably shifted away from supporting us getting involved. I completely oppose it, not a single US boot on the ground, I don’t even want our tax dollars going to defend other nations. If Trump buckles and gets involved that’s a pretty big betrayal of what his platform was.


U.S. is defending other countries (like Israel) because it directly impacts our own security against terrorism in the middle east. The location is key in combating countries like Iran along with numerous other reasons that directly impact our national security.

Every time I see someone say "just stop helping Israel and let them figure it out" I cringe. We aren't just helping them out if the goodness of our hearts.

Israel also does the dirty work for the U.S. as we're seeing with their attacks on Iran. If Iran gets their hands on a nuke, that capability to build them will certainly get into the hands of other terrorist groups in the middle east and suddenly we've got nukes being used openly putting everyone at risk.

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U.S. is defending other countries (like Israel) because it directly impacts our own security against terrorism in the middle east. The location is key in combating countries like Iran along with numerous other reasons that directly impact our national security.

Every time I see someone say "just stop helping Israel and let them figure it out" I cringe. We aren't just helping them out if the goodness of our hearts.

Israel also does the dirty work for the U.S. as we're seeing with their attacks on Iran. If Iran gets their hands on a nuke, that capability to build them will certainly get into the hands of other terrorist groups in the middle east and suddenly we've got nukes being used openly putting everyone at risk.


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Jun 15 2025 10:03am
Their missile attacks are mostly causing damage in residential areas.
Yesterday, a missile landed near an oil refinery but caused no damage.
The Iranians are estimated to have around 2,000 missiles and have already launched about 400.
At a rate of five major targets per night, they can only sustain this pace for another eight days.
The IDF has the capability to keep pressuring them to the point of collapse.
The only acceptable outcome is for Iran to agree to completely halt its nuclear weapons development.

During the First Gulf War, when the U.S. attacked Iraq, we were targeted by Iraqi missiles and the situation was even more dangerous, as we didn’t have the Iron Dome for protection back then


These people cower in fear at these Islamic regimes, they're the reason our nations have been slowly invaded, it's weakness and craven fear all the way to the bottom, effete ineffective nu men

I always remember a great quote from The Patriot: "Temperance can be a convenient disguise for fear"

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U.S. is defending other countries (like Israel) because it directly impacts our own security against terrorism in the middle east. The location is key in combating countries like Iran along with numerous other reasons that directly impact our national security.

Every time I see someone say "just stop helping Israel and let them figure it out" I cringe. We aren't just helping them out if the goodness of our hearts.

Israel also does the dirty work for the U.S. as we're seeing with their attacks on Iran. If Iran gets their hands on a nuke, that capability to build them will certainly get into the hands of other terrorist groups in the middle east and suddenly we've got nukes being used openly putting everyone at risk.


That's right

Israel is doing the dirty work for the West that we're too craven to do ourselves
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Jun 15 2025 10:43am
Russian President Putin warned Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei that “his regime is in danger” following a discussion with former U.S. President Trump, who reportedly did not intend to restrain Israel’s strikes.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/06/15/exclusive-putins-warning-to-iran-after-trump-call/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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Jun 15 2025 11:21am
U.S. is defending other countries (like Israel) because it directly impacts our own security against terrorism in the middle east. The location is key in combating countries like Iran along with numerous other reasons that directly impact our national security.

Every time I see someone say "just stop helping Israel and let them figure it out" I cringe. We aren't just helping them out if the goodness of our hearts.

Israel also does the dirty work for the U.S. as we're seeing with their attacks on Iran. If Iran gets their hands on a nuke, that capability to build them will certainly get into the hands of other terrorist groups in the middle east and suddenly we've got nukes being used openly putting everyone at risk.


USA has been exploited and taken advantage of for decades by Israel. Its not strong American Nationalism to have an unnatural allegiance to a fanatic religious state.

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Jun 15 2025 11:21am
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