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Sep 10 2024 08:34pm
Quote (randyrigley @ Sep 10 2024 10:30pm)
I heard a theory that the “end” you’re asking about is so those war companies I just talked about can give UK all the aging military tech sitting in warehouses around the USA, elsewhere, to make room/get more gubment cheese to make the new stuff while also tiring out Russia and ruining their chances to become agressive globally for the next few decades.


Humvess and Bradleys sitting around are pretty much junk but they do nothing for this war. The real things that make a difference are the patriot missiles, the himars, the UK storm shadows, the 155mm arty shells, and so on. None of these things are in long supply and we actually don't have a ton of them to send off and waste. They're also pretty incredibly expensive. Sure, we get to weaken Russia, but the tangible ROI is pretty sus at this point. When this war ends, they will have more battle hardened troops than prior to the war. They will also have modernized their military as soviet era junk was blown up. It's actually unclear if we're truly going to degrade their military for years to come.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 10 2024 10:34pm)
You really think trump can end the war in one day? Or you ok with Putins EU slow takeover plan ?



Putin isn't taking all of Europe. That type of dumb shit was brought to you by the same people that peddled WMD's in Iraq.

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Sep 10 2024 08:37pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 10 2024 07:34pm)
Humvess and Bradleys sitting around are pretty much junk but they do nothing for this war. The real things that make a difference are the patriot missiles, the himars, the UK storm shadows, the 155mm arty shells, and so on. None of these things are in long supply and we actually don't have a ton of them to send off and waste. They're also pretty incredibly expensive. Sure, we get to weaken Russia, but the tangible ROI is pretty sus at this point. When this war ends, they will have more battle hardened troops than prior to the war. They will also have modernized their military as soviet era junk was blown up. It's actually unclear if we're truly going to degrade their military for years to come.


I was mostly thinking about planes when I decided the theory had legs;

Also I think we both know it’s not about short stocking ourselves but finding ways to funnel the American taxpayers dollars to familiar friends. People think itemized hospital bills are insane, imagine looking at an itemized invoice for an f22 fighter jet. Each bolt is thousands of dollars for no reason other than infinite money funnel.
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Sep 10 2024 08:41pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Sep 10 2024 07:34pm)
Humvess and Bradleys sitting around are pretty much junk but they do nothing for this war. The real things that make a difference are the patriot missiles, the himars, the UK storm shadows, the 155mm arty shells, and so on. None of these things are in long supply and we actually don't have a ton of them to send off and waste. They're also pretty incredibly expensive. Sure, we get to weaken Russia, but the tangible ROI is pretty sus at this point. When this war ends, they will have more battle hardened troops than prior to the war. They will also have modernized their military as soviet era junk was blown up. It's actually unclear if we're truly going to degrade their military for years to come.




Putin isn't taking all of Europe. That type of dumb shit was brought to you by the same people that peddled WMD's in Iraq.


The WMD push was by the GOP and every American was told they weren’t a patriot if they didn’t go along with it.
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Sep 10 2024 08:42pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ Sep 10 2024 09:24pm)
Having heard Kamala on certain topics, can someone who roots for her tell me how you feel about her positions. Would you rate them as strong/good enough/poor?:
- Inflation (Economy in general)
- Border (immigration)
- Crime/Policing
- Israel/Ukraine (conflicts)


There is too much fluff instigated by the "moderators" for me to care about those cultural issues.


I’ll quickly hit this. US inflation is highly related to global inflation regardless of political party. Tariffs, lowering corp taxes, and trying to get the fed to lower rates would 100% drive inflation higher. Hence the reason inflation was higher under trumps first 3 years than Obama’s last 3. Also plenty of analyses have been done such as the one by Goldman Sachs who concluded Kamala’s plan would be bette the economy.

As far as the border, democrats just tried to pass a bill as she’s alluded to in the debate, trump had republicans vote against it so he could continue to campaign on this issue.

The idea that democrats want to defund the police is a myth, democrats have highly funded police alike with republicans.

Israel/ukraine I agree with the approach of allowing and assisting our allies in defending themselves.

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The WMD push was by the GOP and every American was told they weren’t a patriot if they didn’t go along with it.


The WMD push was by the 200 neocon republicans that support Kamala Harris, she just stated that on the stage 20 minutes ago.
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Sep 10 2024 08:43pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 10 2024 10:34pm)
You really think trump can end the war in one day? Or you ok with Putins EU slow takeover plan ?


The guy who can't conquer the poorest country in Europe with 5x their population and 15x their GDP is going to takeover a continent infinitely richer that outnumbers him 3:1.
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Sep 10 2024 08:45pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Sep 10 2024 10:41pm)
The WMD push was by the GOP and every American was told they weren’t a patriot if they didn’t go along with it.


Right, and now the hawks in the Republican party that have always been pro war support Kamala, and it's something she touted of having the old type republicans supporting her while Trumps populism has left those elements in the dust. Back then flag waving retards didn't care that there were no WMD's, today you have the Cheney, McCains and other forever war pushers coming out and saying they support her.

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Sep 10 2024 08:48pm
Did anyone get bingo?
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I'm just waiting for one of the moderators to slip and say: "Orange Man Bad". :D
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Sep 10 2024 08:51pm
Quote (tommyd323 @ Sep 10 2024 08:42pm)
I’ll quickly hit this. US inflation is highly related to global inflation regardless of political party. Tariffs, lowering corp taxes, and trying to get the fed to lower rates would 100% drive inflation higher. Hence the reason inflation was higher under trumps first 3 years than Obama’s last 3. Also plenty of analyses have been done such as the one by Goldman Sachs who concluded Kamala’s plan would be bette the economy.

As far as the border, democrats just tried to pass a bill as she’s alluded to in the debate, trump had republicans vote against it so he could continue to campaign on this issue.

The idea that democrats want to defund the police is a myth, democrats have highly funded police alike with republicans.

Israel/ukraine I agree with the approach of allowing and assisting our allies in defending themselves.


So you would rate the first three as strong/good enough and the last as mediocre?
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