Wow, Biden just dropped of lol. This thread aged really well.

Just gonna come out and say this now, Biden isn't fit to be president right now, and should resign so we can get that first black woman president in the history books already to get it out of the way.



It was obvious they would do this, in whatever conspiratorial fashion if need be.

Graphs dont go just up, but they go up over time.

Win-win-situation for Biden!
And I don't understand Kamala Harris, is she somewhat of a Schrödinger's racial card? She is the daughter of a milionar Indian family in New York or Black representative at once

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jul 22 2024 06:25am

Kinda irrelevant to the discussion of present-day politics when the backsliding or stagnation can last for multiple generations. Also, to the extent that human societies did trend toward increased liberalism over the course of history, it is imho mostly a function of improved living standards and of increasing differentiation within society. Both of which are headed toward a wall in the coming decades.

i dont think its realistic to expect some phase of anti-liberalism to last decades in the USA. especially based on the rest of your post. standards of living are decreasing and will hit a wall when automation removes enough demand for labor. what is the GOP's answer to that? they're going to champion that largest package of welfare state handouts in the history of our nation? no. how about when blackrock and vanguard own 50%+ of the US housing market? they're going to go to battle vs big business? no.

like i said, the liberals just have to wait, the gop has much more urgency in 2024 than they do. and look at the consequences, when the GOP loses they risk losing american livelihoods according to them. when the liberals lose women have to drive a state away for an abortion and people are mean to trans kids. not exactly existential crisis. this is by design, the GOP made its platform do or die. the liberals haven't, they'll talk about how trump will ruin america but the brass knows he cant be the dictator the media pretends he will be. there is some urgency on the liberal side but far more on the other side.

And what exactly are the Democrats gonna do about it? They're in cahoots with big business and big tech just as much as the GOP.
In the end, they'll ask Americans to essentially adopt the "WEF agenda", sleep in a pod, take the bus to work, eat ze bugs and learn to be happy while owning nothing. All while paying some symbolic lip service to various identity groups to appease them. Pride parade sponsored by JP Morgan, that's what the Democrats have to offer. All their social liberalism is just window dressing to get away with their deeply neoliberal/pro-corporate economic agenda.



The GOP provides damn good substantive arguments for why they see an existential crisis. Letting the wide-open border go on for another 1-2 presidential terms would alter the demographics and thus the face of America in a significant and lasting fashion. Letting the green agenda fester means further losses in real wages, or losses of growth potential. Letting abusive free trade with places like China continue will lead to further deindustrialization in America. On foreign policy, the past 4 years haven't exactly gone well, have they? The world is on fire and the Democratic administration is sleep-walking into a new Cold War which, at the current rate, will be lost before it even started.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 22 2024 09:51am

i quite agree that the democrats are playing down issues that will bear serious consequences, but we're talking political consequences. politically the democrats arent in cahoots with big business, that's a republican thing according to their voters. billionaires are boogeymen.

if the question is simplified "who can afford to lose the 2024 election and gain from it moving forward" the easy answer is the democrats, moreso in a post biden drop out. if trump loses the idea of him running again in 2028 is nuts. if trump wins they can run hard at midterms, stop most of his agenda, then wait for 2028 and oust the GOP, unwrite EO laws, and move on.

Democrats have received received more campaign donations than Republicans in all recent cycles, I think since 2016. Significant parts of their base are lefties who hate billionaires, and their elected officials pay lip service to this sentiment, sure, but they're not serious about it. And a lot of the Democrats' policy agenda aligns very well with corporate/billionaire interests. (I don't think we actually disagree all that much here. )

I agree that the 2024 election is far more consequential for the GOP than for Democrats. If they win by a healthy margin here and Trump's second term is at least okay, then the Trumpian makeover/the MAGAfication of the GOP will be completed and fully entrenched. If Trump loses, or his term ends in a disaster, there is still a chance for the (old) GOP establishment to roll back the populist revolution. And yes, there would be a significant risk of a blue wave during the 2026 midterms which sets Democrats up for a trifecta if they can win in 2028.