Quote (Ghot @ Jun 28 2024 12:50pm)

One of the best things about the US govt., is the three branches. The Executive, Legislative and the Judicial.
They all "keep an eye" on the other two branches. You may have heard the phrase "checks and balances".


The only real reason to want or have a "figurehead" president, is to so emaciate the Executive branch, as to make it ineffectual and a tool of the Legislative branch.
This is why the Left placed Biden in office.

And all of us have seen the result. Cities burned, criminals bailed out by a political party, the economy in ruins and attacks on the very fabric of the Constitution.

You wanna be a third world country? This is how you go about it. ^^

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 28 2024 04:25am)

I didn't get to watch the debate and finish it until just now and heard the doomsaying on the news reports about it so I'll get my reactions now

I don't think Biden was anywhere as bad as pundits were making it out to be. He clearly had trouble enunciating and mumbled a few times and trailed off once badly, but it wasn't a crash and burn performance. I've seen crash and burn, this wasn't it. He kept coming back and picked up as it went on. But Trump was clearly on point and coherent and kept at least some wit and perspective, Biden really didn't, he was struggling the whole time. So while its clearly a Trump win, its not as bad as they make it out.
Both Biden and Trump did a whole lot of the bullshit spewing talking points where they lied about something to make the other side look bad. Where if you've followed politics you know just how baloney it is. Trump with his 'post birth abortions' remark where the governor clearly misspoke / had a stupid phrasing, and Biden with his 'good people on both sides' nonsense. But they weren't equal in this regards: Trump only one or two of these shit talking points, Biden was relentlessly hammering on about it negatively and way higher on the bullshit-o-meter while Trump kept trying to pivot back to policy differences like immigration in particular. Yet at the same time, Biden was more direct and coherent with his bullshit attacks on Trump, while Trump phrased his stuff about 'russia russia russia, prosecutor, laptop, etc' that would be totally incomprehensible to someone not already versed in the scandals. You can't get up on stage and accuse someone of something involving a laptop, you have to make an actual accusation. Little old granny who doesn't watch fox news 24/7 doesn't grappled with Biden getting millions of dollars sent through his family from an oligarch and then turning around and holding up foreign aid to get a prosecutor investigating that oligarch fired. You need to say it like that, not whatever connect-the-dots conspiracy shit Trump did.
Also both candidates were pretty equal in the way they relentlessly spun from one topic to another to avoid answering the original question, but that has more to do with the format, they couldn't let the other guy get the last word, but it also meant skipping over subjects. Trump just flat ignored a question about how to deal with the opioid epidemic to talk about the previous point, but Biden wandered so far off topic too it was hard to follow.

And I had only seen out of context clips about them comparing golf scores. I was truly surprised when Trump was the one who interrupted it to say "lets not act like children". Shit, neither Biden nor the moderators got that in line and Trump is being the sensible one to pull away from his type of shitposting?

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 28 2024 07:01am)

Lowering taxes by cutting off all medicare/medic-aid or whatever social welfare. Win-Win, right ?

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 28 2024 02:02pm)

The ONLY president that went after the social aid items, was Obama

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 28 2024 08:05am)

Ok, If you say so, It must be true !

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 28 2024 02:25am)

I didn't get to watch the debate and finish it until just now and heard the doomsaying on the news reports about it so I'll get my reactions now

I don't think Biden was anywhere as bad as pundits were making it out to be. He clearly had trouble enunciating and mumbled a few times and trailed off once badly, but it wasn't a crash and burn performance. I've seen crash and burn, this wasn't it. He kept coming back and picked up as it went on. But Trump was clearly on point and coherent and kept at least some wit and perspective, Biden really didn't, he was struggling the whole time. So while its clearly a Trump win, its not as bad as they make it out.
Both Biden and Trump did a whole lot of the bullshit spewing talking points where they lied about something to make the other side look bad. Where if you've followed politics you know just how baloney it is. Trump with his 'post birth abortions' remark where the governor clearly misspoke / had a stupid phrasing, and Biden with his 'good people on both sides' nonsense. But they weren't equal in this regards: Trump only one or two of these shit talking points, Biden was relentlessly hammering on about it negatively and way higher on the bullshit-o-meter while Trump kept trying to pivot back to policy differences like immigration in particular. Yet at the same time, Biden was more direct and coherent with his bullshit attacks on Trump, while Trump phrased his stuff about 'russia russia russia, prosecutor, laptop, etc' that would be totally incomprehensible to someone not already versed in the scandals. You can't get up on stage and accuse someone of something involving a laptop, you have to make an actual accusation. Little old granny who doesn't watch fox news 24/7 doesn't grappled with Biden getting millions of dollars sent through his family from an oligarch and then turning around and holding up foreign aid to get a prosecutor investigating that oligarch fired. You need to say it like that, not whatever connect-the-dots conspiracy shit Trump did.
Also both candidates were pretty equal in the way they relentlessly spun from one topic to another to avoid answering the original question, but that has more to do with the format, they couldn't let the other guy get the last word, but it also meant skipping over subjects. Trump just flat ignored a question about how to deal with the opioid epidemic to talk about the previous point, but Biden wandered so far off topic too it was hard to follow.

And I had only seen out of context clips about them comparing golf scores. I was truly surprised when Trump was the one who interrupted it to say "lets not act like children". Shit, neither Biden nor the moderators got that in line and Trump is being the sensible one to pull away from his type of shitposting?

Quote (Ghot @ Jun 28 2024 02:07pm)

Well, is you show me "proof" of what you're saying... that would be nice.
You talk like the right is after medicare and social security, but I, who have both, haven't seen that.

The ONLY thing I've seen is Obama taking three years of COLA raises.



I'll be 68 in November. I have a few serious health issues, and I make old man noises when I rise from a chair or similar.
I think I'm doing pretty good though. I only have 12 prescriptions. :D
If someone starts messing around with Medicare or Social Security... I'll notice it. ^^

Quote (Meanwhile @ Jun 28 2024 08:18am)

I know your age: you were 64 few years ago.
I'm not sure from where i should begin, maybe that U.S presidents have very little power on domestic policies without the green light from congress/senat.
And that some assistance is coming from states themselves.