So is he a mouthpiece puppet or did he lose everything for not being a mouthpiece puppet.

No matter how many times you tell a lie, it remains a lie.

The legitimate government of Ukraine was overthrown in a Coup in 2014. The new government was neither elected nor acknowledged by the Donbas Republics, who proclaimed sovereignty at that point. The illegitimate "new government" of Ukraine started this war almost the day they took power by invading the republics, murdering their citizens, and stealing their resources. Russia did not "invade" the Donbas Republics, they were invited in. In response to their police action on behalf of these sovereign nations, Ukraine INVADED those republics, full force, and have been attempting to murder both the population of those republics, AND the Russians supporting them.

The world economy has not taken a hit from any of Russia's actions. The world economy has taken a hit due to the sanctions applied against Russia by the EU and US. All injury to the west has been self-imposed. All over a regional conflict that isn't our concern in the first place.

Your propaganda is interesting, but neither factual nor particularly useful.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 7 2024 07:06pm

if you dont like tucker or this upcoming interview i got the solution for you liberals

DONT WATCH IT

of course they are just terrified that they wont control the narrative on this one, deal with it



the moment putin invaded the rewriting of history began

the violent takeover just before the next elections, the victoria nuland leaks, nazis burning people alive, thousands of dead civilians in eastern ukraine from kiev regime artillery shells qnd more

all of that shit suddenly never happened

Couldn't agree more. That's why I choose not to further engage with your cynical revisionist fairy tale trying to excuse Russia's invasion, completely ignoring international law and historical facts.

Being "invited" and then facing a host that would rather die than welcome their "guests". Takes some serious copium to actually believe that. Deluded or paid is the only question here.

Hey, no need to insult me just because I had the audacity to talk to you.

You seem to imply that corporate media only focuses on viewership and relevancy. But have you thought about the possibility that some of them might actually care about finding and revealing truth? Or maybe they think it's important to serve justice? I am not saying that they don't care about viewership, obviously they do, however for you to say or imply that they only care about having influence is cynical. I think you think this way because you are probably only motivated by things like profit or influence, so you think everybody else is like that, too.



You could have said, "Unlike your assumption" without adding the word "premature". You insult me because I hurt your feelings.



And of course, only you can judge what journalist has integrity and a track record. If I said I think Tucker has integrity, I must be wrong, right?




Maybe you need to stop being so salty and insulting me at every turn. I don't understand why my post triggered you into such a hissy fit. I didn't insult you at all.




I didn't say you embrace American war propaganda. I merely said you should apply the same standard to the media on both sides.


Well, I still would want to hear from Russia itself why it decided to do what it did. Yes invading a sovereign nation is bad, but I still want to give them a chance to defend themselves. I don't immediately write off Putin's interview as Russian propaganda. I want to keep an open mind and listen to the other side without prejudice.



Did you hear Putin himself say he wanted to liberate people, or did you hear this somewhere on a Western news media? I kind of doubt Putin would say that.




This by itself doesn't mean much, because wars always cause destruction. I still want to hear from Putin why he decided to go to war with Ukraine. But people like you try hard to dissuade me from that. You try very hard to make me think that if I listen to an interview with Putin, that means I am falling for Russian propaganda.




What are these bullshit excuses, and where did you hear them from? I am pretty sure you don't speak Russian, so you must have heard them from an English-speaking news media, and we all know how honest they are.

This post was edited by JessiWan on Feb 7 2024 07:26pm

Sounds like you are quietly backing out of this thread because InsaneBobb has stomped you into hamburger meat.



How about instead of insinuating that Bobb is a paid shill, you try and refute his points? If he is truly so deluded or is huffing copium, you should have no trouble dismantling his arguments.

You seem to adore fairy tales. Like the fairy tale where the government in Kiev is legitimate, or where the Donbas Republics are part of Ukraine, rather than Sovereign nations that chose to become Russian Protectorates. Why? To stop the constant invasion of their nations, murder of their people, and theft of their resources by the illegitimate, US-controlled puppet government in Kiev.

Note that it is not the populations of the Republics who're fighting to the death against Russia. They are joined with Russia in fighting against the predations of Ukraine. A Ukraine that has conscripted and gotten killed an entire generation of Ukrainians to try to preserve their "right" to murder and steal from other sovereign nations.

The primary reason Russia has hit Ukrainian infrastructure is because that's how war works. You call it "civilian" but that's bullshit. Armies need to be supplied. Who supplies them with the food, water, equipment, and the transportation of all the above to the front lines? That's right, the so-called "civilian infrastructure". If Ukraine wants their infrastructure to no longer be targeted, the ball is in their court. All they have to do is withdraw from the Republics.

Why are you so sad and defensive all of a sudden?

I said "by accident" because you assumed I wasn't applying the standard I applied to Tucker to other news media. But I did. Strange how you're now trying to defend their integrity, ignoring the basics and implicit recruitment and reporting biases of for-profit media. Every Economics minor would be ashamed making such starry-eyed, idealistic assumptions. I said "premature" because you clearly didn't know my position and assumed I was a corporate media supporter. Neither of them are insults in the first place, and both are well justified, so please don't play victim now, I was nothing but fair and friendly to you.



You mean the bot who repeatedly ignored all of my arguments and rather repeated Russian state media talking points and war excuses verbatim? You clearly did not get my point that there is no good faith discussion to be had with someone who isn't interested in challenging their own position or even engaging with arguments. The only reason you would take their side is because you happen to agree with him, not because you're having a principled issue. Try to be a better, more objective debater please, your bias is very thick.

This post was edited by jspolice on Feb 7 2024 08:00pm

It would be fun to be a bot. Ladderslasher would be far less time consuming. I have not ignored a single argument you have made. I have pointed out that every argument you made is based upon fairytale made up bullshit fed to you wholesale by western media. The very propaganda outlets you now claim to dislike.

All of your assumptions are based around the coup of 2014 that threw out the legitimate government of Ukraine being valid. Of the government that was installed without any vote or representation from Crimea or the Donbas Republics being legitimate. Your entire argument outright ignores the sovereignty of the Republics, who the new and illegitimate government of Ukraine has absolutely zero right to claim as part of Ukraine.

Everything you say has been fed to you by western propaganda outlets. You do not know the history of the region you are opining on, and you're promoting the west perform self-harming acts in support of an illegitimate government that has committed so many human rights violations that Human Rights Watch has been begging the international community to intervene for years.

It's fine that you support Ukraine's self-proclaimed right to rape, torture, and murder their neighbors and steal their resources. You do you. It would be nice if you were being honest about it though. At least, I assume you're simply lying. To think you're truly ignorant, and promoting war against Russia on behalf of the most corrupt and illegitimate government on earth, without knowing anything about the facts at all? That's where it gets terrifying. You'd rather watch the world march into WWIII than question the propaganda you've been fed.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Feb 7 2024 08:08pm

Both Donbass and Crimea are internationally recognized as UKRAINIAN territories. The fact that you repeatedly can't even acknowledge such obvious historical truths, facts that even Putin himself established in previous treaties, proves that you're simply not an honest debater. Please refrain from quoting me again. Bore other people with your Russian war propaganda. You're not convincing anyone. Russian invaders are killing innocent people, and you're not ashamed to take their side. You're not a good person.