Quote (MaysLanding @ Jan 23 2024 07:56pm)

no need. you know what your doing.

:banana:

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 23 2024 06:17pm)

Illegal cheap labor is both a benefit and hurts a city. In simplest terms, illegal immigrants provide cheaper labor and therefore final output costs for services should be cheaper and that should be transferred onto the consumer. It may hurt a city/state though because of the added social safety net costs while not contributing in taxation even though they obviously benefit from the roads, parks, etc. The analysis of cost-benefit is probably fairly convoluted.

Years back me and my friends used to go to this Mexican restaurant regularly. Primary reason why is because it was really good and the reason it was so good is that it actually had Mexicans doing all the cooking. It was a running joke that all regulars knew that the place had illegal immigrants running the kitchen. It took over 2 years for the city to shut down the place and clean that up. There's a lot of cases like this, and yeah we can say okay lets crack down on these places but real issue is why did it take the city so long, with the place up and running again within 3 months.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Jan 23 2024 12:03pm)

Strawman. Not me bro. I want Americans to wake up from this futile oscillation between right and left, realise they are the leaders of the free world and start acting like it.

Border control is a real issue, but isn't the prison industrial complex a way bigger issue? Or gun control or the drug epidemic?

You’re talking about building a wall around a room thats on fire.

Quote (YeeHaw @ Jan 23 2024 08:49pm)

I didn’t realize as an American citizen I rule the free world. I don’t know how to respond to you arguing my post by simply stating there are other problems in the world.

All I’m talking about is enforcing existing laws instead of bringing millions upon millions of people here and saying, “oops how did this happen?! Better give them tax money!”

This is the most blatant disregard of American citizens.

Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 21 2024 11:44pm)

Having a border is what makes a country possible. The moral thing to do is dissuade them from making this journey by vigorously enforcing border security.

The alternative is allowing everyone in, but that road means eliminating social safety nets for immigrants and civilians alike. We can't afford to pay for our own standard of living, and the more benefits you offer the greater the demand will be.

Quote (Jupe @ Jan 24 2024 07:18am)

This. If someone is born in a shithole country there's always an incentive to get somewhere better. People make the trip (and risk the violence in doing so) because they know there's a good chance they'll improve their quality of life when they get here. If there was no chance of getting into America, nobody would be making the journey, and none of this would be happening.

Quote (Jupe @ Jan 24 2024 10:18am)

This. If someone is born in a shithole country there's always an incentive to get somewhere better. People make the trip (and risk the violence in doing so) because they know there's a good chance they'll improve their quality of life when they get here. If there was no chance of getting into America, nobody would be making the journey, and none of this would be happening.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jan 23 2024 12:17pm)

Illegal cheap labor is both a benefit and hurts a city. In simplest terms, illegal immigrants provide cheaper labor and therefore final output costs for services should be cheaper and that should be transferred onto the consumer. It may hurt a city/state though because of the added social safety net costs while not contributing in taxation even though they obviously benefit from the roads, parks, etc. The analysis of cost-benefit is probably fairly convoluted.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Feb 1 2024 08:26pm)

The fun fact behind this is the IQ drain on the third-world country.
Have you ever wondered why Mexico is so bad to live in?
Maybe it's because all of the smart Mexicans left and went to the USA.
So Mexico is being run by the bottom of the barrel.
And the USA is stealing their best and brightest.
I don't think it's possible to run a first world empire without utilizing this btw.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 1 2024 07:03pm)

The cost/benefit has been done many times and it's overwhelmingly positive.

The reason is pretty simple. If you are a local you ate 18 years of services before you started contributing. Immigrants, illegal or not, are a MASSIVE boon to the tax base, they do pay taxes even if it's just local sales tax, and because they are starting from such an advantageous position compared to natives they will virtually always contribute more to the tax base relative to what they take. A ton of them use fake social security numbers that results in contributions they will never receive the benefits from.



This is also a big factor. Illegals commit dramatically less crime and are disproportionately motivated and higher intelligence compared to the locals. It's selection bias in action. We actually are overwhelmingly getting their best.