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#91
Jan 9 2024 11:49am
I started to make an abortion joke, but I decided not to keep it.
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Jan 9 2024 12:26pm
Quote (Ghot @ Jan 9 2024 04:06am)
That's the whole problem though.
No one really knows when that bun in the oven becomes aware.

Over time people have begun to treat pregnancy like a... test drive.
They want to wait all the way up to the time of birth to have an abortion.

The only creatures on this planet that run around having sex with out considering the consequences... are some animals.
And that's what this is really about... having sex without consequences.

Well, I hate to break it to folks... but sex does have consequences.
If I were Will Smith, I'd say something like: "Well if you don't START no trouble, there won't BE no trouble". :D

And all this "my body, my choice" crap is just that... crap. You HAD your choice, when you spread your legs.



For things like rape or life threatening situations... they have those 48 hour abortion pills.
There really is no abortion issue. It's just an excuse a lot of folks have... "come up with", so they could run around poking anything that walks. ^^


As humans we do things all the time that have consequences but circumvent said consequences via established methods.

But clearly the way you talk about it, it's more of an issue that women are "spreading their legs" for whom they choose. I suspect there's a little more to it if we wanted t dig in your case given your post history. I suspect them getting the right to vote was the first straw for you.

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#93
Jan 9 2024 12:46pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 9 2024 09:48am)
i dont think you understand what i said.

if the topic is "protecting women's lives", as in their ability to not die, abortion is a terrible argument. mother mortality rate, as u stated, is very low in the first world.

if the topic is "protecting women's bodies", you posted this not me, then abortion is a very valid thing for that. pregnancy is very harmful to women's bodies.

both of these are potentially interesting topics, but you conflated them in your topic's opening post. and it reads like you dont know what pregnancy does to a body.


you sure about that bud?

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Jan 9 2024 01:02pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 9 2024 06:46pm)
you sure about that bud?

https://i.imgur.com/wsFgF0O.png


This is why death is one of the points I immediately conceded to.

If the mother is going to die, It becomes Life Saving.
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Jan 9 2024 01:09pm
Quote (Mondain @ Jan 9 2024 11:02am)
This is why death is one of the points I immediately conceded to.

If the mother is going to die, It becomes Life Saving.


do you not think that for that reason alone, it should be legal?


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Jan 9 2024 01:10pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 9 2024 07:09pm)
do you not think that for that reason alone, it should be legal?


for that reason alone, it doesn't need to be legal or illegal.

for that reason it's life saving.
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Jan 9 2024 01:16pm
Quote (Mondain @ Jan 9 2024 11:10am)
for that reason alone, it doesn't need to be legal or illegal.

for that reason it's life saving.


absolutely! its insane to me that in 2024, women are still being denied lifesaving care...in the 'best' country in the world

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Jan 9 2024 01:16pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 9 2024 12:46pm)
you sure about that bud?

https://i.imgur.com/wsFgF0O.png


yes, the rate is low enough, even in the US, that any abortion ban can make an exception for any mother who's life is at risk.

risk of mother's life is a fairly easy thing to quantify and account for, damage to a body is harder to quantify legally.

but that's not the point i was making, that being that mother fatality is a low enough number that it's not a good argument for abortion as a whole. it can be accounted for in bans, so it's not a good reason to allow abortions generally.

im pro choice, fyi, im just doing accounting on the logic behind positions. specifically the lack of logic in the OP.
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Jan 9 2024 01:30pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 9 2024 07:16pm)
absolutely! its insane to me that in 2024, women are still being denied lifesaving care...in the 'best' country in the world


Just don't get it twisted. Many people abuse the medical system to skirt responsibility for their actions.

Potential Death is not an excuse, It should be taken serious, in cases that apply.
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Jan 9 2024 01:31pm
Quote (Mondain @ Jan 9 2024 11:30am)
Just don't get it twisted. Many people abuse the medical system to skirt responsibility for their actions.

Potential Death is not an excuse, It should be taken serious, in cases that apply.


is aborting an unborn child that you cannot afford not the responsible decision?

would you rather an uneducated, unemployed, single woman continue to birth to babies so she can pay her comeuppance even though the babies will suffer?

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