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Jan 8 2024 02:16pm
Quote (YeeHaw @ Jan 8 2024 08:30am)
If you show up at a riot full of leftist extremist arsonist thugs and don’t say hey man this isn’t my scene and leave immediately, you might be a leftist extremist arsonist thug yourself. Said none of you ever even once during the BLM riots.

Regular people at a rally where white supremacists show up, every single person there is a white supremacist and the entire rally revolves around them.
Black Lives Matter cackling lunatics burn down entire neighborhoods, peaceful protests, a few bad apples, antifa isn’t real, you are just a racist, these people are marching for peace while burning city blocks to the dirt.

:rofl: these people literally mean nothing when they say things just read their words.


The mental gymnastics are strong with this one

First you argue that it wasn't a riot at all,

now you say its a riot and insurrection but because there were 'normal' people mixed in with white supremacists that means that it was peaceful.

So you agree, it was a riot and insurrection.
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Jan 8 2024 02:22pm
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you can not support Ukraine and also not bootlick Putin, they're not mutually exclusive


I can also not reflexively support Nazis in some foreign shithole at the expense of my own country because thats pretty clearly the opposite of patriotic nationalism.
This just in: People who actually put their own country first, don't put some country halfway around the world first, and you aren't going to shake off your support for Nazis in this lifetime
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 8 2024 12:22pm)
I can also not reflexively support Nazis in some foreign shithole at the expense of my own country because thats pretty clearly the opposite of patriotic nationalism.
This just in: People who actually put their own country first, don't put some country halfway around the world first, and you aren't going to shake off your support for Nazis in this lifetime


I can understand that, surely you feel the same about our massive aid to Israel too? I agree we need to put our country first
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Jan 8 2024 02:36pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 8 2024 02:30pm)
I can understand that, surely you feel the same about our massive aid to Israel too? I agree we need to put our country first


It needs to serve our national interests, which it does. This isn't a very hard concept to grasp. Its not ron paulite isolationism, its not bending over to service a bunch of radical foreign nationalists like eric ciaramella who put their countries first.
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Jan 8 2024 02:41pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 8 2024 12:36pm)
It needs to serve our national interests, which it does. This isn't a very hard concept to grasp. Its not ron paulite isolationism, its not bending over to service a bunch of radical foreign nationalists like eric ciaramella who put their countries first.


care to expand on that?

I fail to see how aiding a country vs an oppressor is not ok but helping a genocidal regime to kill natives serves our national interests
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Quote (IroningTheMaiden @ Jan 8 2024 02:16pm)
The mental gymnastics are strong with this one

First you argue that it wasn't a riot at all,

now you say its a riot and insurrection but because there were 'normal' people mixed in with white supremacists that means that it was peaceful.

So you agree, it was a riot and insurrection.


I said none of those things.
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Quote (El1te @ Jan 8 2024 03:30pm)
Its funny how this standard evaporates as soon as it's the far left and their attending of pro-genocide antisemitic marches


My friends on the left are evenly split, i myself staunchly support israel.
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Quote (gnarjay @ Jan 8 2024 02:41pm)
care to expand on that?

I fail to see how aiding a country vs an oppressor is not ok but helping a genocidal regime to kill natives serves our national interests


You're describing conflicts in moralizing terms. It says nothing about the dynamics of who benefits, what the impacts and costs are, what interests are served. Every country can call themselves a liberator fighting an oppressor. Israel was invaded and slaughtered indiscriminately, they are the underdog standing against a much vaster arab world. Hamas are the underdogs liberating gaza from their Israeli occupiers. Ukraine fights a noble battle against an invasion of Russian orcs. Russia defends its territory from western imperialists and color revolutions. All hollow exercises in blowing wind.

Supporting Israel serves our national interests because we actually get returns on that investment. They produce disportionate research and development in the sciences and military and intelligence. They serve as our only truly allied bastion of western reach in the mideast, stabilizing our presence and keeping the arabs and persians at bay. They are one of our close military allies under the full nuclear power umbrella- something more palpable than a NATO expanded past its relevance. If we ever betrayed Israel, all our other European allies would know its just a matter of time until they are next.

Ukraine was an overextension. They had been in Russia's sphere of influence for 500 years. If we could fold them into NATO and our sphere that would have been in our interests- but we couldn't. Because we knew Russia was more willing to act to defend them than we were to take them. We put up a color revolution to seize their government and supply arms to a proxy war, russia went to full blown direct war. Which they are winning. We come out of it with egg on our face, millions more welfare clients immigrating into the EU, Russia in full control of critical energy and food resources, a schism in the petrodollar that is letting the RMB replace it, and what do we get? Another black sea port in Odessa? Its not in our interests
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