I’ll check this out while I farm the pits this morning

Will blow your mind for sure, let me know your thoughts,



This post was edited by ChatGPT on Dec 20 2023 10:25am

Good on them. This was not a close call. Trump clearly tried to incite an insurrection, and has been barred from the ballot as a result. Pretty cut and dry.

I was sympathetic to the idea that you'd need a conviction at first, but after doing some looking it seems like this particular issue has never required a conviction when applied.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 20 2023 10:28am

I thought GE supplied the engines for most fighter aircraft platforms? Were we really outsourcing that to Russia?

Those engines are not production ready, but now its GE yes.
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Lockheed Martin uses the RD-180 engine for its Atlas V launch vehicle because of its proven performance, lower cost, and track record of success. The RD-180 is manufactured in Khimki, near Moscow, and delivered to the US by RD AMROSS, a joint venture of Pratt & Whitney and NPO Energomash.
In 2022, Elon Musk said that Boeing and Lockheed have relied on the Russian RD-180 engine. Musk also said that Lockheed Martin is hoping to move away from that in the future with engines from Blue Origin.


specifically the RD-180
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-180

2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
On February 24, 2022, Russia began a large-scale military invasion of Ukraine. Six days later on March 2, 2022, as Russia continued the invasion, they announced an end of all sales and support of the RD-180 engines to the United States, in retaliation for sanctions placed on Russia by the US for the Ukraine attack.[29]

This post was edited by ChatGPT on Dec 20 2023 10:40am

Why is this theory still being entertained? You know everything that is written here is completely untrue.
I am unaware and don't really know enough into state constitutional law into whether what Colorado did is acceptable or not but your comment is just 100% BS.


You do realize there are photos and videos? This is insane to deny what happened that day.

Also, the election fraud case was presented to plenty of conservative leaning judges (many of whom were appointed by Trump himself) and they literally could not find any evidence to suggest election tampering. I am not sure how people are gullible enough to fall for such simply manipulation tactics (if you can even call them tactics). Trump literally said "If I win then there wasn't any fraud but if Biden wins then there was fraud." This was before any votes started to be count.

To be frank, too many people hate him at this point for him to be able to win. However, Trump has a strangle-hold on the GOP and has pushed moderate voters to the left.

They know. They're just like flat earthers. They think if they say it over and over and really really try, then they can get everybody to ignore evidence and implement a new social order.

They'll ignore things as basic as fraud having a legal definition, or the presidential records act explicitly saying government documents are not presidential records.

They think this because they will lie to themselves at the drop of a hat then everybody else must be doing the same thing. So it's just a matter of virtue signaling hard enough to get others to move over.

What they don't account for is that most people aren't actively lieing to themselves about very basic facts.

What dangerous precedent is it setting? Others who want to run for high office but have engaged in an insurrection will be barred from running? That sounds okay to me. The Constitution is filled with anti-majoritarian laws... and the desire of Republican primary voters to re-elect an evil madman who engaged in insurrection doesn't override the Constitution.

If you mean that Republicans are going to take this ruling and use it as justification for all kinds of bad behavior, sure, they will. But that's on them. The rule of law should be enforced, even if it means the insurrectionist/conspiracist political party will do bad things as a result.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 20 2023 10:59am

Proving Trump's direct responsibility for the storming of the Capitol isn't an open-and-shut case. Heck, it's not even clear if the 14th amendment even encompasses the presidency to begin with.
And yes, it of course sets a dangerous precedent when the party in power bars its main political rival from running... at least when it happens based on anything but a 100000% airtight case.

Furthermore, even if it would be necessary in theory to bar a particular candidate based on legal or moral consideration, it is still politically unfeasible in practice to do that to a candidate who has the support of nearly half the country. At this level of support, the only practical way to handle the "threat" is to defeat him at the ballot box. The "Trump problem" must be solved by the American voters, not by partisan courts or bureaucrats.

This is a really concerning trend in conservatives. Saying if you enforce the law as its written and when its intended to work, then the other side will intentionally abuse it, and not acknowledging that the abuse that came after is the problem, not the reasonable enforcement at the start.

It just shows how little they value the rule of law when it doesn't give them their way.